topic Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone in Project data & BIM

Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Kikoria — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 22:13:48 GMT

I am calculating one and the same area by Zone and Fill tool. First, I am using the fill tool and it shows me a particular area [35.79m2]. See photo:

Then I use the zone tool, I take the magic wand and fill the shape with zone but the output is different. [35.78m2]

The areas are identical because I used the magic want for zone to perfectly match the fill area. I need both of them in my project and this creates a huge danger in calculation. Could someone help?

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Barry Kelly — Mon, 26 Feb 2024 04:46:40 GMT

Increase the decimal precision of your dimension units just to be sure they are exactly the same.

Barry.

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Kikoria — Thu, 29 Feb 2024 02:39:04 GMT

I tried it. They're identical:

but as soon as the decimal reduces, here's the result:

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Barry Kelly — Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:42:31 GMT

Seems the fill is rounding down and the zone is rounding up.

You would think they would both be the same.

What happens if you increase the decimal precision even more?

Take it all the way to 6 decimal places.

I am suspecting there is still a slight discrepancy - it may even be beyond 6 decimal places.

Barry.

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Kikoria — Fri, 01 Mar 2024 06:41:08 GMT

Yes, but I need it for submitting in the city hall for agreement and permit. They need it to be rounded in two decimals.

P.S. Can I order the fills and the zones to round the numbers the same way?

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Barry Kelly — Fri, 01 Mar 2024 07:26:29 GMT

@Kikoria wrote:

P.S. Can I order the fills and the zones to round the numbers the same way?

No.

But I was just saying to go to 6 decimal places to see if there is a difference.

If they are exactly the same to 6 decimal places, I can't understand why they would round up/down differently.

They should round both the same.

If there is a slight difference in the size, then the question is why - especially if you used the magic wand.

If they are exactly the same to 6 decimal places, then I would send this off to your local support for them to have a look at.

Why would one round up, and the other down?

It would be interesting to know there answer if that is what is happening.

Barry.

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Kikoria — Mon, 04 Mar 2024 08:44:48 GMT

I think I found some new information about the issue. It doesn't happen always. It only happens when the rounding decimal ends on 5. So, for example, if you have 3.125 the Zone and Fill will round them in a different way. Fill would round it down and display 3.12 while Zone would round up and display 3.13.

Can this be fixed?

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Barry Kelly — Mon, 04 Mar 2024 08:55:07 GMT

@Kikoria wrote:

Can this be fixed?

You would have to report it to your local Archicad support, stating that you think this is a bug and asking if it can be fixed.

To me, they both should round the same figures in the same way.

That is if they are exactly the same figures.

That is why I suggested going to as many decimal places as you can, to make sure you don't have fill that is 3.125000 and a zone that is 3.125003.

You would think the magic wand would produce exactly the same area if one is magic wanded on the other.

Maybe the discrepancy is even beyond the 6 decimal places we can see.

I don't have Archicad running at the moment, but next time I start it up, I will check it with a fill and zone that are exactly the same and ending with a last decimal of 5.

Barry.

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Barry Kelly — Tue, 05 Mar 2024 01:18:32 GMT

I just drew a fill 3125mm long by 1000mm

Area = 3.125m²

I magic wanded a zone onto it, so it has exactly the same area.

At 2 decimal places, they both round up to 3.13m².

So I would say there is no problem with the rounding.

But maybe your zone and fill are not exactly the same.?

Barry.

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Kikoria — Tue, 05 Mar 2024 08:21:46 GMT

Maybe. Strange. Because I use the magic wand tool to insert a Zone in the Fill area.

Thanks for your help!

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Barry Kelly — Tue, 05 Mar 2024 09:55:29 GMT

@Kikoria wrote:

Maybe. Strange. Because I use the magic wand tool to insert a Zone in the Fill area.

Yes, but was the magic wand accurate?

If you used the 'flood' method, you would only need a small line across a corner to reduce the area of the zone.

As you magic wanded the zone onto the fill, and the zone area is smaller, I would suspect that there is something reducing the area of the zone by a very small amount.

If you magic wand on the perimeter of the fill, it should follow that perimeter exactly.

If you are still getting a discrepancy, then you will have to send a file to your local support for help.

Barry.

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Kikoria — Tue, 05 Mar 2024 10:42:54 GMT

I use the fill contour while magicwanding the area. Should it be accurate?

Re: Area Calculation problem by Fill and Zone

Barry Kelly — Tue, 05 Mar 2024 13:27:17 GMT

If you use the fill contour (perimeter) to magic wand the zone, they should both be identical.

It seems to be working fine for me.

Do a test and create a 3125 x 1000 mm fill as I did in an empty space on your plan.

Then magic wand the fill on and see the resulting areas.

Barry.