topic Re: Schedule zones within zones in Project data & BIM

Schedule zones within zones

CarlM — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 23:33:10 GMT

Hi,

I have been trying to schedule zones within zones without success - does anyone have an idea as to how this can be acheived?

I have a main area zone that covers the entire apartment, and then I have zones in each room. I want to acheive something like this:

Apartment 01

01 Hallway

02 Bathroom

03 Bedroom

04 Kitchen

05 Living room

.....

Apartment 02

01 Hallway

02 Bedroom

03 Kitchen

04 Bathroom

....

Many thanks!

Operating system used: Windows 10 PRO v 19045

Re: Schedule zones within zones

Mathias Jonathan — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:53:46 GMT

I don't think that you an achieve that. Why do you need a main area covering the entire zone?

Re: Schedule zones within zones

CarlM — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 14:47:13 GMT

Mathias,

The main zone is for the apartment as a whole - the sqm area, apartment number and other data relevant for that particular apartment.

Re: Schedule zones within zones

Ricardo Lopez — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 23:33:28 GMT

Hi @CarlM

Try using the Apartment ID within the zone classification and properties and use that for grouping in your schedule.

Re: Schedule zones within zones

Mathias Jonathan — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 15:32:13 GMT

@CarlM The solution of Ricardo is the good one, but it means that you'll have to give all the info (apartment number and other data - total sqm area is an other question ) to each of the room. I think that maintaining a 2 systems zone is not optimal.

Re: Schedule zones within zones

Ricardo Lopez — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 23:34:29 GMT

Hi @CarlM

You can have your area in your schedule too. You just need to group and summarize by your prefered area type field.

You don't need to create a new zone for each apartment, that is what @Mathias Jonathan wants to tell us.

Re: Schedule zones within zones

Mathias Jonathan — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 16:02:48 GMT

@Ricardo Lopez From what I understand from the initial post, @CarlM has all his appartment info in the global zone (appartment Id for example). The rooms are "independent" from archicad point of view and don't possess specific info .

The fact that the rooms are included geometricaly in the global zone should suffice in this kind of workflow, but I don't think that archicad is capable of that.

Re: Schedule zones within zones

Ricardo Lopez — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 16:10:57 GMT

Hi @Mathias Jonathan
You are right! There is no way Archicad can have subzones within a larger zone. There should only be one level of hierarchy as zone elements themselves, but properties can be used to group them for scheduling purposes or even creating some sort of graphical override if needed.
Let's wait to see what @CarlM meant and my solution fits. 😊

Re: Schedule zones within zones

CarlM — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 16:10:45 GMT

Hi @Ricardo Lopez ,

Thank you for pointing out the properties idea. That works great!

Regarding the area the summary of the rooms is not equal to the apartment area since the latter includes all walls within, which the room areas do not. That is the reason - in my way of thinking - that I need the Main zone (apartment) and Sub zones (rooms).

The apartments are listed with other complete "units" such as boiler room, technical room, elevator shaft etc - the Macro perspective.

The breakdown of sub units for the micro perspective.

Re: Schedule zones within zones

Ricardo Lopez — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 16:20:23 GMT

Hi @CarlM

OK, then you need to create new zones for that "gross" area. Maybe another layer for them could be good.

Anyway there will be no relation between your rooms' areas and those macro ones, so you will need to schedule them separately.

Best regards.

Re: Schedule zones within zones

vlahtinen — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 16:32:37 GMT

The sum of room areas is not necessarily equal to the total area of an apartment. For example, in Finland, the area of non-bearing walls is not included in the room areas but is included in the total area of the apartment. One would also need to model the area of non-bearing building elements that are not included in the room areas, and that would be quite cumbersome. It is also common practice to label the areas of apartments on floor plans, and for this purpose, modeling zones that represent an individual apartment is useful.

Re: Schedule zones within zones

CarlM — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 16:34:17 GMT

@Mathias Jonathan & @Ricardo Lopez - many thanks for your quick replies and good insight!

Re: Schedule zones within zones

vlahtinen — Tue, 17 Dec 2024 23:36:16 GMT

The only option I can think of is to model the rooms with the morph tool and the apartment with the zone tool.

Then you can schedule the morphs and get the related zone name and number.

Editing morphs is frustrating, but it can be a single plane if the volume is not important.