topic Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14) in Project data & BIM

Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

Scott Bulmer — Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:31:39 GMT

Greetings,

Using the Element ID Manager in renumbering doors or windows for an entire building, I believe I formerly would select the doors or windows in the order I wanted them renumbered in, then applied the ID reassignment. Now in AC14 I cannot get this to work. No matter which direction I select the doors/windows to sort in, the sorting always returns an inverted result. In other words renumbering 5 doors to start at D07 will result in the first door being reassigned D12.

Process: Select doors/windows in the desired order of renumbering. In Element ID Manager Sort Elements 'Element ID', then ID Format input the starting value.

The result is always inverted so not sure what I'm doing wrong. Thanks for any thoughts. Scott

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order

Erika Epstein — Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:35:38 GMT

Hi Scott,
I'm getting the correct results here.

I haven't seen this in a while, but you if you clicked on the 'change ID button it used to reverse the numbering order.

In you Work Environment>More Options> Auto ID increase, is this unchecked? If unchecked it would give them all the same ID number, but you could try toggling this setting.

Are you getting the same results numbering doors and other elements?

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

Scott Bulmer — Mon, 10 Jan 2011 01:55:49 GMT

Hi Erika,

Good thought regarding toggling the checkbox, however the issue is still present after execution.

I have tried reassigning both door and window IDs with the same result. No matter if the ID to change is the first or last element selected in a series, the desired resulting sequence is always wrong.

I have not tested this in 12 or 13, but recall that I used to do this all the time without problems.

Anyway, thanks again for your ideas. I am thinking this may be a bug.
Scott

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:48:37 GMT

More testing/update:

I just tried to reassign zone numbers using the ID Manager. Nothing happens.

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

Erika Epstein — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:03:53 GMT

Scott,
Probably you did this, but:
Go to the ID Format tab. Here is where you set the alphanumeric options and tell it which number to start from.

HTH

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:07:55 GMT

Indeed I did that. Something is haywire. I have New & Reset but still get the same results. Thanks for your response!

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

vfrontiers — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:05:12 GMT

Very strange. I recently did the same task (renumber doors) using this concept and it went the way I wanted it to each time...

Also, I wanted to point out that if you make your ORDERED SELECTION... go to the SAVE SELECTION palette and save it... next time you want to number again, you can load this selection with the same order...

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:06:21 GMT

vfrontiers wrote:
Very strange. I recently did the same task (renumber doors) using this concept and it went the way I wanted it to each time...

Also, I wanted to point out that if you make your ORDERED SELECTION... go to the SAVE SELECTION palette and save it... next time you want to number again, you can load this selection with the same order...

I do not understand the "save selection" comment?

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

vfrontiers — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:24:18 GMT

Depending on how your Work Environ is set up... there is a PALETTE called SELECTIONS.. If you call this up, you can select a bunch of stuff and hit SAVE SELECTION in this palette.. Come back later and click on this in the SELECTIONS PALETTE and everything will be selected again.

Per my tests, it does maintain the ORDER in which you selected them, so using this technique to select doors to renumber should give good results after a door goes away (for example)...

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:51:48 GMT

vfrontiers wrote:
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Per my tests, it does maintain the ORDER in which you selected them, so using this technique to select doors to renumber should give good results after a door goes away (for example)...

What if you ADD a door or window in the middle of the selection set.

Re: Element ID Management > Sort Order (AC14)

vfrontiers — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:58:45 GMT

Never claimed it was the holy grail...

so you are right, adding one into the middle will require RE-SELECTING... but at that point, you would START at the new door and select only subsequent doors and renumber from the middle... right...

And depending on the timing, I would just add it as a number at the end (already done with energy calcs, for example)..