topic Re: Zone List in Project data & BIM

Zone List

ananas — Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:01:08 GMT

Hello

I am trying to adjust a list someone else created and I am wondering where he/she found "DIN Berechnete Fläche" (DIN calculated area). When i type it in search tab it is not shown ....

Anyone knows? 🙂
Thank you!

Re: Zone List

Miha_M — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:40:54 GMT

I think the GER Archicad localization has an additional addon for "Berechnungsflaechen" available.

Check if you have a missing addon in your Options > Add-On manager.

Re: Zone List

ananas — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:58:09 GMT

You are right! There are actually more categories in the Lirary element manager, if we click here:

and there there was udner the object Zones, the criteria hidden I was looking for. It is some special add on for German template as you said..

Thank you! 🙂

Re: Zone List

ananas — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 11:07:05 GMT

Do you maybe also know how to show on the list reduced Zone Volume? I can see the reduced area, but the volume stay calculated 100%, even though i reduce them for 75%.

I would like to use the reduced are in the volume calculation and then show it on the list. Is that possible? 🙂

Re: Zone List

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 11:48:40 GMT

So you would like to have a Schedule Field that displays the volume of your Zone after being reduced by 75% so instead of the 13.01 m3 displayed in your screenshot it displays 3.25 m3?

For that you can create a Property for Zones and use an Expression to multiply the Zone Volume parameters with 0.25. Then you can use that Property in your Schedule as a field.

Re: Zone List

ananas — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 14:52:30 GMT

Thank you Laszlo!

Do you maybe also know if it would be possible to set one material to be count as 2 different materials?

For example 10% wood and 90% insulation? 🙂

Re: Zone List

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 15:52:32 GMT

Could your describe the exact scenario in more detail, possibly with a screenshot? Also, what would be the exact end result you want to get? One or several Properties you can list in a schedule?

Re: Zone List

ananas — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 18:12:28 GMT

Hi,

so, I have a material that is built out of wooden stands and the insulation in between:

but in Archicad I simply use one material for it, just the insulation:

The wall consists of more layers, but we onyl consider one material here (the insulation in the middle).

I would like to make a list of materials, where this insulation is listed 10% as wood (these wooden stands) and 90% as insulation.

I believe somehow this could be achieved with material properties? 🙂

Thank you for helping me!

Re: Zone List

ananas — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 18:15:38 GMT

or it might be easier, I simply make this wood stands in the wall? But then I would have to change a wall into a profile, right?

Re: Zone List

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 16:58:12 GMT

How about modeling those Wood stands?

You could model them using

1. individual Columns (in which case they would even subtract themselves automatically from the Wall if the Columns have a Building Material with a higher Intersection Priority Number than that of the insulation),

2. or as Frames of a Curtain Wall (you can define a Curtain Wall Pattern for it),

3. or even as Railing Posts (the Railing can be associated to the Wall).

In the cases of Curtain Wall and Railing, you would have to use SEO to subtract them from the Wall so you get correct insulation Volumes (if that is important).

Of course, modeling them may not be what you want for other reasons.

Re: Zone List

ananas — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 06:49:41 GMT

Hi Laszlo, thank you for all this recommendations on how to build the wall:) It would make sense, but requieres some work, which I would like to avoid. I also like to keep the wall as a wall element as a whole. May I ask btw, why do Curtain Walls and Railings not extract from the Wall? It doesn´t work even if they are built of material, which have higher priority? I am asking because the railing would make the most sense to me, because it is easeier to change then individual colums.

So about the wall with columes, that looks like this

I still prefer the idea , where I simply define with the formula on lists how much % should be calculated as wood and how much % as insulation. We don´t need to draw so detailled in the plas, but only seperatly as a detail and that is much faster.

I will learn more about Property manager formulas and try to figure it out 🙂

Re: Zone List

Miha_M — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 08:34:05 GMT

If you use a composite wall then using expression based properties to sub-divide a single skin volume in a 1:9 ratio might not be possible, or, better said, not easy, as properties are based on an element level, which in your case is the whole composite wall.

While you can extract each skin data in schedules, this is sadly not possible with properties.

Re: Property Manager - available parameters - Comp... - Graphisoft Community

Calculation of Skin/Component Area | User Guide Page | Graphisoft Help Center

I think you'll have to follow @Laszlo Nagy advice and model this studs to get the desired result within Archicad. Or export the wall skin schedule to excell and divide the insulation volume with a formula into two separate materials.

Re: Zone List

ananas — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 09:06:26 GMT

Thank you Miha and Laszlo for your explanation! Now I am convienced and will model the wall with colums 🙂

Re: Zone List

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 24 Oct 2022 16:22:03 GMT

The reason Curtain Walls and Railings do not subtract themselves automatically from Walls is that Priority-based Connections are not implemented for them, that feature works automatically only for the intersection of certain element types, likes Walls and Columns, or Walls and Slabs:

https://help.graphisoft.com/AC/26/INT/index.htm#t=_AC26_Help%2F040_ElementsVB%2F040_ElementsVB-270.htm%23XREF_12462_Basic_Junction&rhsearch=priority%20based%20connections&rhsyns=%20

So, in such a case you would have to perform Solid Element Operations to subtract the geometry of the Curtain Wall or Railing from the Wall.