topic Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled? in Project data & BIM

Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Patrick Hayes — Thu, 30 Jan 2025 11:25:27 GMT

Hi all,

I was just wanting to see if anyone had any bright ideas on how to audit elements draw on a Worksheet (or any "workspace" outside of the storey structure really. Schedules seem to only be able to find elements placed in the storey structure of the file.

I haven't dipped into Lists so I'm hoping there may be a solution there.

What we are wanting to do is just a general sweep of our template details to check what library parts are in use and ensure correct fills have been used etc on our worksheets.

Thanks!

Patrick

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Nathan Hildebrandt — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 04:22:11 GMT

No, sadly schedules can only find objects on a storey, not a worksheet. If you want to perform those checks on your details I would suggest a negative storey.

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Patrick Hayes — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 04:55:00 GMT

Hey Nathan,

Long time - hope you're well!

Yeah sadly I thought that was the case. So the workaround would be copying all the stuff from the worksheet to a storey temporarily and running a schedule on it. Would prefer to keep the details in a worksheet for our template so that it's a logical step for office users to transfer to a worksheet in their project file.

Hopefully schedules remain a high priority on the GS R&D list.....

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Nathan Hildebrandt — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 05:43:47 GMT

I don't think that specific capability in schedules is a high priority at the moment but could be raised as something people want. The challenge with the ability to read other items like worksheets, it would be hard to determine what is just part of the template and what is really in the project.

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Patrick Hayes — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 06:22:27 GMT

Yeah agree GS are a lot more interested in their 3D scheduling. It would have to be another filter really, like in find and select with workspace or that kind of thing. IE Look in here only. Yep agree I don't see it coming.

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 07:48:02 GMT

Worksheets, details, sections and elevations are all just different view points of the 3D model and you can have as many of them as you want and they can all be showing the same view with slightly different 2D annotation.

However there can only be 1 plan (hence 3D model) view point, so that is why schedules only look for items in the plan/3D model.

So there is only one source to get the information from.

Barry.

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Patrick Hayes — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:54:58 GMT

Hi Barry,

I'd agree with you except for the point of worksheets which are really fully disconnected from the 3D model. It would be a great to have a little table object that leverages a bit of Find & Select and Schedules which could find things in these views and list them out. A bit like a label that is not specific to an element but rather a workspace (like how find and select works with only visible elements in a single view). Sounds like a lot of coding though - and perhaps incompadible with Archicad's base architecture. Unless you know of anything like this? 🤔

Patrick

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:03:56 GMT

Patrick,

The best would be for you to make a wish for this feature so it can be submitted to Graphisoft for consideration.

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:16:07 GMT

@Patrick Hayes wrote:

I'd agree with you except for the point of worksheets which are really fully disconnected from the 3D model.

That is what I was saying though.

You could have 6 worksheets based on your plan for 6 different sets of information.

So each can be unique.

But if you start to double up information (such as a fill in each worksheet), how will Archicad know you only want to count it once?

It would get quite tricky to tell Archicad to schedule everything in the model plus look for certain fills in this worksheet and other fills in this worksheet, but don't schedule those fills if they appear in any other worksheet.

I mention fills because I can't think of anything else you would want to add to a worksheet that you would want to schedule (except maybe 2D objects).

Personally I rarely (if ever) use worksheets (simply because they are not live with the model).

If I need different information shown in different plans, I will use layer combinations.

Then problem solved with schedules, because all information is in the model.

Barry.

PS I thought I sent this reply yesterday - I must have hit cancel instead. 🙄

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Patrick Hayes — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 02:30:09 GMT

Hey Barry,

I 100% agree it could become a scheduling nightmare, in particular for outcomes where you were wanting to schedule floor areas or that kind of thing. In our office Bim setup we really only use Worksheets for 2D detailing and some early feasibility site testing with Fills (just to avoid pumping the files full of additional layers early on prior to indentifying key schemes to move forward with). But yes, not using worksheets for scheduled outputs - as you mentioned it would be a messy filtering of schedules even if archciad could do it. My opening question was just more from a BIM management and auditing perspective, that is, making sure users in our office are using the correct fills and library parts for 2D detailing etc in a pretty easy to check schedule. (We keep a pretty tight ship on attribute use so it's always good to be able to easy check where possible).

So to summarise this whole thread

a) It's not possible to run a schedule or list or something else clever in a worksheet to audit the elements which have been drawn

b) It's probably not a good idea for GS to even try to make this possible as it will undermine the ease of use of filtering schedules in more fundamental tasks (ie Data rich model take offs) - Let's not add it a wishlist

c) Let's hope GS continue to develop their scheduling anyway because there are way bigger fish to fry than just being able to pull data from somewhere it's currently not (and shouldn't necessarily)

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:02:21 GMT

The old 'List Scheme' can look for fills in elevations and worksheets.

It is so long ago that I used it, that I can't remember how it was all set up.

I can say it does still work, but it is very old and hasn't been supported for some number of years.

New tools like the stairs, rails, openings aren't included.

I am not sure about the updated curtain walls (although I think they are OK), beams and columns.

But fills and objects should work fine still.

I wouldn't be surprised though if this functionality is removed in future versions just to clean up the program.

But that is pure speculation on my part.

Barry.

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Patrick Hayes — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:43:44 GMT

Thanks Barry,

I have never dipped into lists but always assumed they were a potential way to look under the bonnet of a file.

I'm getting some kind of BIMcloud library issue by the looks of things which is stopping me creating a new List Scheme, might have to do a bit more reading into how it's setup.

Anyway thanks for pointing me in that direction.

Cheers,

Patrick

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 04:03:43 GMT

The lists were pre-BIMcloud.

The schemes need to be editable so I guess they can't be in the BIMcloud library.

They would need to be in an office library that all users have access to (as mine are - I don't use BIMcloud).

Any amendments made are made to those files in the office library, so all users get the changes with a library re-load.

They could be saved in the Embedded library, but they would only be good for that one file.

Barry.

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

Patrick Hayes — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 05:16:17 GMT

In that case I think you're right about lists being on a cull list somewhere in Graphisoft HQ....

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

gdford — Sat, 26 Nov 2022 13:54:26 GMT

You can do exactly what you what to do if you stop using worksheets and start using a series of stories below the project foundation. All you have to do is copy and paste and you can immediately start using schedules to check the work. If you stop using fills and start using zero thickness morphs you will have even more scheduling options because with morphs you can add custom properties and classifications which give you the ability of drill down to a greater level of detail without being trapped with only the fill name and fill ID. If you don't really want this to exist in every model then you can save it out as a hotlike file and then attach it to any project as needed. There is no BIM in worksheets. They are only good for dumb data. I agree it would be sweet if there was a way to focus a schedule to a specific worksheet, but it want happen in our lifetime.

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

TaniavH — Wed, 25 Mar 2026 18:14:41 GMT

We needed to do this today, and I have just tested it (albeit only finding this thread 4 years later) and it does work, but it's a little clunky.

duplicate an existing element list scheme and name it immediately (it will not let you rename it afterwards - dumb)
select fills and worksheets per Barry's image above
by default it wants to use a list template object, but I have yet to find that - so you can use a "Text List"
also by default it wants to combine fills with the same property so you want to select items in separate rows
it produces a basic list

I'll add to this once I find the list graphic template...it would be nice to have the ability to format this a little...

Re: Can info from Objects / Fills draw on a worksheet be scheduled?

TaniavH — Wed, 25 Mar 2026 18:18:05 GMT

ok looks like the LISTSET.TXT file template has not been around for many versions, but if all you want it the data, I guess you could pretty it up in excel or something...