topic Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior in Project data & BIM

AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Anonymous — Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:56:20 GMT

So I am trying to setup the new Work Environment to reflect our standard keyboard shortcuts and have found two odd behaviors.

I'm trying to make Edit/Intersect have Control-I as its shortcut, but that seems to behave like I have pressed the tab key moving the highlighted field and not registering that I am trying to input a keystroke in the shortcut field.

There seems to be a similar problem with Control-Command(Apple)-M which acts like enter or return, dismissing the dialog box.

Anyone else found this on the Mac (or PC)?

ps. Why does Graphisoft contimue to use keyboard shortcuts that are the same as system wide keystokes on the Mac? Command-Option-D will show and hide the dock, not Drag a Copy and Command-H will hide the active application not Stretch. So everytime I have to put in new custom shortcuts to avoid these obvious conflicts.

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Dwight — Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:15:56 GMT

That is so creepy.
Just the other day I managed to do Control+S as the stretch command and Control+F as fillet, but now I get what you get for intersect.

It won't accept the Control key input

Dang.

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

__archiben — Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:25:12 GMT

in AC9 i think that GS had a better understanding of OSX system-wide key shortcuts and as such slightly tweaked the set-up.

a little trick the development team told me whilst i was testing was to apply the 8.1 (or earlier) shortcut scheme and then quit archiCAD. the next time you launch it, the system shortcuts now 'belong' to archiCAD and so can be manipulated properly within the program: so just apply the AC9 keys again on launching and then try to modify.

does this help?

~/archiben

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

__archiben — Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:33:39 GMT

Thompson, wrote:
... to reflect our standard keyboard shortcuts ...

alex. a lot of companies have their own shortcut set-up i think.

please don't take this the wrong way, but: why? i have a genuine interest in trying to understand why offices 'impose' a shortcut scheme on a member of staff - particularly if they have come from somewhere else with different shortcuts. can't this actually be counter-productive?

i use several particular commands quite a lot whilst working and have all of these easily accessable with my left thumb and fingers. if i started work at an office with their own set-up i'd be lost and probably look quite stupid.

additionally, i try to modify the default settings so that there is a greater chance that when demonstrating something on somebody else's machine the shortcuts are the same.

i saw the possibility of a keyboard shortcut 'profile' in AC9 as something to free up an individual's work environment - something they can take with them anywhere, but in discussions pre-beta it was seen as a way of restricting for CAD managers.

i'd like to hear yours (and others) views . . . ?

thanks in advance
~/archiben

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

__archiben — Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:36:46 GMT

getting the hang of the 'dwight-method-of-double/triple-posting' (TM)

~/archiben

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Dwight — Sat, 02 Oct 2004 15:37:10 GMT

hey. I own that.

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:19:29 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
getting the hang of the 'dwight-method-of-double/triple-posting' (TM)

Hmm.. He's starting to catch up to your total post count, Ben, so you'll have to triple post a few more times to stay ahead. 😉

Karl

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:00:35 GMT

We have been chasing our AC9 tails for a few days now and can not figure out why our Keyboard Shortcut combinations are vaporizing. We have a few that we wanted to add, so we have modified and saved out a different scheme and put it to a profile and though it works for a while (30 minutes), soon the combinations stop working. I am saying that things like Command-S stops working - one that we haven't changed (obviously).

Has anyone else battled this? Did you win?

We have even had menu pulldowns no longer work...

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Dwight — Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:16:15 GMT

That sounds possibly like a serious hard drive problem.

1: Clean out the preferences. test.

2: Reinstall - something is damaged or missing....

Also:

Where are you keeping the preferences - could they be in your user library rather than the system library??

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:20:07 GMT

This is on five or more machines... All with the 1812 build. Our current work around is to load a different Work Environment profile, then go back and load ours. That restores the functionality but again only for a while...

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

__archiben — Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:25:30 GMT

it sounds very much like a mac bug we had during beta - thought it got nailed!

what happens if, instead of switching profiles, you simply click the menu header under which the shortcut resides and then immeadiatley cancel? does that also clear the block?

i think you'd better report it to tech support: tell them also that it was a bug i submitted during beta testing. that should give hungary a chance to track down all of the previous details as well.

HTH
~/archiben

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:47:22 GMT

We have had this disappearance of Keyboard Shortcut on a daily basis on 4 macs (G4 & G5 under OS 10.3.4). We have found that if ArchiCad "forgets" the shortcuts, then if you open any tool box and cancel or OK that dialog box, this "restores" the keyboard short cuts!

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:01:33 GMT

This week, Hungary let me know that an update to 10.3.5 may very well solve the problem. We've tried it on one Mac for one day, and so far so good. I'll post again next week.

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Aussie John — Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:11:53 GMT

Still a bug (in 10.3.6)

Trying to enter some keyboard shortcuts is not possible for instance opt-cntl-i cant be input.

A workaround is to put just opt-i into the field first (takes two goes) then opt-contrl-i can be input!!

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:15:48 GMT

Boy, we've been solid on 10.3.5 for about three days now. Did you try 10.3.5 before 10.3.6...?

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Aussie John — Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:35:01 GMT

Ted wrote:
Boy, we've been solid on 10.3.5 for about three days now. Did you try 10.3.5 before 10.3.6...?

I only received v9 yesterday so never had a chance to try it with 10.3.5

I have been able to get the shortcuts I need by the method I indicated above.

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

__archiben — Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:01:48 GMT

Aussie wrote:
Trying to enter some keyboard shortcuts is not possible for instance opt-cntl-i cant be input.

A workaround is to put just opt-i into the field first (takes two goes) then opt-contrl-i can be input!!

john, are you talking about actually setting up the shortcuts in your WE profile? if so, graphisoft have respected more of the OSX keyboard shortcuts this time around. if a shortcut 'belongs' to the system, archiCAD won't let you use it.

what you can do is apply the 8.1 keyboard scheme which takes ownership of the system shortcuts and gives them back to archiCAD when you next relaunch it. once relaunched simply apply the 9.0 keyboard scheme again and modify it as necessary . . .

HTH
~/archiben

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Aussie John — Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:12:14 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
john, are you talking about actually setting up the shortcuts in your WE profile? if so, graphisoft have respected more of the OSX keyboard shortcuts this time around. if a shortcut 'belongs' to the system, archiCAD won't let you use it.

Ben as far as I can see opt/command/i isnt a finder keyboard shortcut
Nor is opt/command/control/i- neither of these input into the WE

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

__archiben — Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:17:21 GMT

Aussie wrote:
Ben as far as I can see opt/command/i isnt a finder keyboard shortcut. Nor is opt/command/control/i- neither of these input into the WE

opt/command/i is 'get multiple info' (use it to keep the info palette on screen whilst changing the selected file in the finder - it updates itself depending on where you click).

the other one i have no idea about . . . maybe because it contains opt/command/i ?

~/archiben

Re: AC9 US Mac OS X - Keyboard Shortcuts odd behavior

Aussie John — Tue, 23 Nov 2004 03:24:24 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
opt/command/i is 'get multiple info' ~/archiben

damn you are right