topic Re: ArchiCAD 12 (Mac OS 10.5.5) Sounds in Project data & BIM

ArchiCAD 12 (Mac OS 10.5.5) Sounds

jbArch — Fri, 26 May 2023 13:27:06 GMT

Just getting used to AC12 after using AC10 for awhile.

The "eyedropper" used to make a satisfying sound to let me know that I had picked up (or injected) the attributes of a library part, wall, etc. Now it just makes the clunking sound... the one that usually means "hey dummy, you're not doing that right!". Tool still works and all, but the old sound would let you know for sure.

How do I get it back? Is this just a bug? I use this thing all day long.

Thanks

Re: Eyedropper sounds

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:30:33 GMT

There is an option in the 'Work Environment' settings under 'More Options' to 'enable ArchiCAD sounds'.

On a PC, you can adjust the individual sounds in the windows control panel, in sounds and audio devices if you wish. I don't know where this option is on a mac.

Re: Eyedropper sounds

jbArch — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:37:42 GMT

Yeah, I have that option checked. If I un-check that option then of course I get no sound at all.

Upon further investigation, I'm noticing that all of the archicad sounds just produce a "clunk". E.g. the sound made when opening a 3D window.... clunk.
Intersect roofs... clunk.

I know folks who find the sounds annoying but I kind of like them.

Is it just me? Anyone else having this problem?

Re: Eyedropper sounds

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:07:14 GMT

On my machine the inject properties and roof intersect have the same 'klung' sound but the open 3d window goes 'woop ping'!

I don't recall it being any different in AC10?

Have a look in the sounds folder in the ArchiCAD folder. That has all the sounds in it if you want to check.

Re: Eyedropper sounds

jbArch — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:37:35 GMT

Hmm.. I don't seem to have a "sounds" folder for either version.

Just to clarify, the "clunk" sound is just a generic system sound.

Looks like this might be a mac-only problem, judging from this other thread:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=125264&highlight=archicad+sounds#125264

Re: Eyedropper sounds

Chazz — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:33:35 GMT

Yeah, no one has come up with any solution that I've heard. I find it very annoying and am shocked more users are not reporting it. Are the standard feedback sounds working for ANY mac user? Could anyone at GS comment of this?

Re: Eyedropper sounds

Anonymous — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:06:07 GMT

Other Mac users are not reporting it because mine, and I suspect most other users are not having a problem. I get the the sounds we've always have had, right out of the box. Sorry, but I have no clue to how to help you.

Re: Eyedropper sounds

jbArch — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:46:44 GMT

It's a small sample of users, but I'm noticing something in these two threads: The users who have this problem are all using macbook pro computers. Or at least that's what's listed in their signatures.

Re: Eyedropper sounds

Mark Wallace — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:16:56 GMT

jbArch wrote:
Yeah, I have that option checked. If I un-check that option then of course I get no sound at all.

Upon further investigation, I'm noticing that all of the archicad sounds just produce a "clunk". E.g. the sound made when opening a 3D window.... clunk.
Intersect roofs... clunk.

I know folks who find the sounds annoying but I kind of like them.

Is it just me? Anyone else having this problem?

Yes.....I really liked the aural feedback feature that I've been used to since V4.55. Since it's being mentioned, I'll 'chime' in.

Alot of Architects are somewhat musical and sound is definitely part of the work environment experience.

I've become a bit disappointed and even annoyed with the single 'system' sound from the Mac OS system. Since it's the OS system's 'problem' or 'I'm finished' sound, I find myself slowing down to check what just happened. Sometimes the sound doesn't even happen when I 'inject' an element's properties into another element.

On the other hand, its going to be problematic to keep programming in the 'older' PPC version of the Mac's operating system. Hopefully it can be brought back in the Intel versions.

Otherwise, we've just made computing/designing/documenting a little more boring.

My 2 cents.

Mark

Mark R. Wallace AIA
Collegeville, PA

Mac Dual 2.3 Ghz Power PC G5, 1.5 Gb SDRAM
ArchiCAD 12.00 2156 USA Full

Re: Eyedropper sounds

jbArch — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:25:46 GMT

Mark, It is interesting that you are having this problem on a G5... or at least I assume you are using a G5 based on your signature. I had started to think that this problem was limited to macbooks.

Let me reiterate that I still get all the right chirps and dings if I use AC10.... the problem is only in AC12, so I don't think it is totally a mac OS problem. I'm a version skipper so I can't speak to what happens in AC11.

Not sure what you mean about programming for PPC vs. Mactel, etc.

Re: Eyedropper sounds

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:23:45 GMT

I can confirm that Mac G4 and Mac Intel has sounds for 10 and 11, but just thunk/klunk for 12. No problem with Windows 12. So, I assume there was some oversight by GS. Will ask.

Karl

Re: Eyedropper sounds

Mark Wallace — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:07:29 GMT

jbArch wrote:
Mark, It is interesting that you are having this problem on a G5... or at least I assume you are using a G5 based on your signature. I had started to think that this problem was limited to macbooks.

Let me reiterate that I still get all the right chirps and dings if I use AC10.... the problem is not in AC12, so I don't think it is totally a mac OS problem. I'm a version skipper so I can't speak to what happens in AC11.

Not sure what you mean about programming for PPC vs. Mactel, etc.

jb,

Yes, I'm on a G5. The sounds in ArchiCAD were always the same from version 4.55 up thru version 11.

Are you saying that you have the 'chiff' or 'steamboat whistle' as well as the 'eye-dropper' sounds in your version of AC12 (With the ArchiCAD sounds enabled?)?? 'Cause I'm not interested in returning to 11 or 10.

As for programming or software differences between the PPC & Mactel: Ever notice when you get a Mac upgrade there are 2 types of files? There is one for a PPC Mac and one for a Mactel(Universal Binary I believe). The programming schemes and protocols are different as well as the OS due to the nature of the different processors.

This is a fundamental reason why the older formats will receive less and less development or support. At some point I expect GS will no longer develop for the Mac PPC anymore than Apple will continue to issue OS upgrades. It's not a new concept, it's part of the maturing realm of computing in general, CAD in particular and it's been discussed on many other threads.

Hope this helps,

Mark

Mark R. Wallace AIA
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Mark Wallace Architect
Collegeville, PA

Mac Dual 2.3 Ghz Power PC G5, 1.5 Gb SDRAM
ArchiCAD 12.00 2156 USA Full

Re: Eyedropper sounds

jbArch — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:13:47 GMT

Sorry for the confusion Mark, I just edited my earlier post to point out that the problem occurs for me only in AC12. I.e. in AC12 I get no chiffs, no chimes, no whistles. Just the thunk/clunk system sound.

Thanks Karl for passing this along to GS.

JB

Re: Eyedropper sounds

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:40:41 GMT

You're welcome, JB - will pass along anything I hear, unless they post here themselves.

Mark wrote:
At some point I expect GS will no longer develop for the Mac PPC anymore than Apple will continue to issue OS upgrades.

For both Apple (10.5 Leopard) and Graphisoft (AC 12) the current releases are the final ones for the PPC platform according to most of what I've seen. "Snow Leopard" and the successor to AC 12 (whatever its name may be) will be Intel-only AFAIK.
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=91986#91986

Hmmm....some Googling shows rumors that Snow Leopard might include PPC support....

(The Intel Mac version is not universal, but Intel. GS distributes separate PPC and Intel versions rather than a Universal Binary for a variety of development reasons that don't really matter to us end-users. The result in performance is the same - the consumption of disk space is half.)

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Eyedropper sounds

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:22:38 GMT

Graphisoft has let me know that indeed the sounds did get messed up in AC 12 (Mac).

While the sounds will be back to normal in the next version, if enough Mac users indicate that they want the sounds fixed in 12, they may consider doing that in a hotfix. I've started a poll here:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=24773

Thanks,
Karl

ArchiCAD 12 (Mac OS 10.5.5) Sounds

Anonymous — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:00:35 GMT

With ArchiCAD 12 I loose the old feedback alert sounds. The option is on and what I get is the alert sounds from the operating system. Any help?

It's hard to get use to work without the archiCAD feedback sounds after more them 20 years...

Re: ArchiCAD 12 (Mac OS 10.5.5) Sounds

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:13:45 GMT

check that they are turned on,

Under Menu Options
-> Work Environment
-> More Options
Archicad Sounds
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This was also previously discussed so a search for AC sounds might help.

Re: ArchiCAD 12 (Mac OS 10.5.5) Sounds

Anonymous — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:36:41 GMT

Yes, the option is on. If I turn it off, no feedback sound. With the option on, what I get is the mac os alert sound, not the archicad alert sounds.

We have 3 machines (iMac 24 2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo) at office, all running since yesterday AC 12 and the problem is consistent in all of them. So I guess that this should be a bug.

Re: ArchiCAD 12 (Mac OS 10.5.5) Sounds

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:41:38 GMT

It is a Bug on 12, please read

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=24568&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=sounds&&start=0

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=22157&highlight=archicad+sound

Re: ArchiCAD 12 (Mac OS 10.5.5) Sounds

Anonymous — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:51:07 GMT

Thaks for the links ejrolon.

Definitely this is a AC12 bug on Mac OS. I hope they get it solve on next revision.