topic Re: Drawing attributes in PM10 in Project data & BIM

Drawing attributes in PM10

Scott Bulmer — Fri, 26 May 2023 13:28:42 GMT

I am unable to find the settings shown in the attached image from PM9 in PM10. These setting relate to placed drawings in layouts and have been very useful to me in the past. Are they now gone for good, or no good as the case may be?
Thanks,
Scott

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Steve Jepson — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:32:55 GMT

it is here now for 3D views and 2D drawings.

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Steve Jepson — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:39:17 GMT

the drawing ID you are refering to shows up only when you drag your mouse over the drawing or select it.

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:02:54 GMT

Hey Steve,

Great info for the mouse over drawing to show the ID. AFA the other item from PM9, I meant to ask about the 'Preview on Layout' choices and not the 'Output Color'.

In PM9 one could turn off drawings with a lot of fills after defining its position (either by using bitmap or frame only options). We knew the drawing was there, but didn't have to wait for it to regenerate each time the layout was opened. Of course, once the set was complete, all complex drawings were switched back to vectorial for plotting.

Aside from above, how did you get the column grids to project in 3D in your attached image?

I' hoping this feature is still there.
Thanks again,

Scott

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Steve Jepson — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:13:16 GMT

I accidently found it when i was placing a section marker.
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=10676

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:47:11 GMT

Hey, I don't have that setting in my S/E settings dialog box. Is there another secret setting somewhere that gets that to appear?
Thanks,
Scott

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Steve Jepson — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:51:36 GMT

yes. there is. http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/download.php?id=5506

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:06:22 GMT

Steve,
I'm sorry to bother you with this, but we have the same AC10 build but I don't have the Grid Element Tool as an option in the Tool Settings DB, and I don't see it in the Add-ons folder. Any other thoughts at your convenience?
Thanks,
Scott

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Rakela Raul — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:08 GMT

go to 'tools'
go down above 'profiler tool' you'll c the 'grid tool'

or under 'options'..go down....'grid tool'

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Steve Jepson — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:12:04 GMT

no bother at all. I am discovering this stuff with you. This is what makes the forum so useful to me.

Is it here for you ?

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:59:16 GMT

Scott wrote:
Steve,
I'm sorry to bother you with this, but we have the same AC10 build but I don't have the Grid Element Tool as an option in the Tool Settings DB, and I don't see it in the Add-ons folder. Any other thoughts at your convenience?
Thanks,
Scott

You need to download this from the graphisoft web site and then load the add-on. Go to your help menu in Archicad and chose goodies. This will take you to the location that you can download this and other add-ons

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

owen — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:00:54 GMT

I just discovered the missing Preview on Layout settings too. I missed this thread so I posted over here.

I just don't get why GS keeps removing features like this that work fine and people are using. Did anyone say 'hey this feature to speed up working with large drawings is really crap, can you get rid of it in the next version'?

I dont think so.

I hate to sound like im complaining all the time but its shit like this that i find incredibly infuriating. It might not seem like much but the difference between being able to move quickly and smoothly around in layouts and waiting 30 secs for a refresh everytime you do something *really* builds up the blood pressure, especially when you know it was better in an earlier version.

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

David Pacifico — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:18:23 GMT

To be able to see your drawing without it updating every-time you open the Layout, change the "Update Type" from Automatic to Manual.

Use the Drawing Manger to check and update the drawings, or right click on the drawing to update.

HTH

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:45:25 GMT

David,
Do you know of a way to set the default update drawing to 'Manual' when placing drawings?
Thanks,
Scott

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

TomWaltz — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:59:44 GMT

I had tried setting that in the Drawing Tool, but it did not seem to stick.

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

David Pacifico — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:06:06 GMT

Do you know of a way to set the default update drawing to 'Manual' when placing drawings?

No, but I was able to select multiple Drawings in the Navigator (Ctrl-Click) or the Drawing Manger and then change all the settings at once.

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:23:10 GMT

Thanks Tom/David,
I tried the Drawing Settings tool as well, then settled on mass re-setting.

Back on the Grid Element topic, in Steve Jepson's June 15 post below he has an image of the Grid Element appearing in the Design Tools menu. I have downloaded this from the GS & confirm that the apx is loaded in the Add-On Manager, however that tool does not appear in my Design Tools menu like in Steve's image. And in the Work Environment menu settings, it shows that it should be visible in that menu. It is available in the toolbar, but not the dropdown DT menu. Not a big deal, but would like to clean things up.
Thanks,
Scott

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

owen — Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:02:44 GMT

David wrote:
To be able to see your drawing without it updating every-time you open the Layout, change the "Update Type" from Automatic to Manual.

Use the Drawing Manger to check and update the drawings, or right click on the drawing to update.

This stops AC from automatically updating drawing contents everytime you change layouts but it does not stop the computers need to redraw/refresh the screen contents everytime you move around on or between layouts. This can take a considerable amount of time for drawings containing a lot of information like lines and hatches. This is why being able to set drawings to preview in Bitmap or Outline on the layouts was so useful as it substantially reduced the amount of information to redraw.

Again it might not sound like much but right now I'm working on layouts containing elevations and sections of a 4 storey louvred building containing shadows, vectorial hatching, people, trees, etc and every time i do anything at all on the layout it takes upwards of 1 minute to refresh the screen. In v9 we could set them all to Bitmap/Outline and have near instant response - but not anymore in v10. Doing the same work in v10 is taking me 5x> longer than it did in v9 because of only this.

This is just not acceptable and we would really appreciate an explanation as to why this feature has been removed ...

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

Link — Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:39:47 GMT

In v9 we could set them all to Bitmap/Outline and have near instant response - but not anymore in v10. Doing the same work in v10 is taking me 5x> longer than it did in v9 because of only this.

I know this is not the answer you're looking for Owen, because On-screen View Options are global (the same whether you're in the modeling environment or the layouting environment), but does unchecking the 'Vectorial Hatching' help you any?

It is a shame that this feature seems to have disappeared.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Drawing attributes in PM10

owen — Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:59:50 GMT

Thanks for the tip ... it helps a little bit but the shear number of lines in the (modeled) multi-skinned louvred facade is the real killer.