topic Re: Any tips on migrating to V13? in Project data & BIM

Any tips on migrating to V13?

Arcadia — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:47:28 GMT

Shortly I will have the option of upgrading to v13 from v12. I have not done this before as I bought into the system on v12. I need to buy upgrades from cadimage for their accessory tools (they say the v12 ones won't work on v13) as well as an upgrade for the 3d edge library (which some Aus users may be familiar with). How will the upgrade affect other 3d objects I have - will they still work? What will happen when I open jobs completed in v12 in regards to objects libraries and v12 cadimage accessories? Will favourites have to be updated? Will I lose any custom materials I have created when i install the upgrade? Any help in this regards would be appreciated as I am a little nervous about the process - I have set things up pretty well for my work flow and i don't want to have to spend time re-organizing things or updating previous job files I need to work on. Thanks.

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:46:39 GMT

Are you talking about migrating a project, or setting up your environment for new projects in ArchiCAD 13? If you are only starting a new project in AC13, I don't think you will have much to worry about.

Of course there will always be something unforseen that will show up. The sooner you test it out, the better.

Now migrating an existing Teamwork project into AC13 is a different story... 🙂

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Arcadia — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:25:04 GMT

I'm talkiing about both really. I will have half completed jobs that will need to be finished in V13 and I will then have new projects to complete and template to update and work environment to update.

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Erika Epstein — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:33:33 GMT

In AC 13 in the Help menu>Archicad 13 Reference Guide there is a section on migrating projects to 13. It's not difficult. Archicad comes with an AC12 Migration Library. It will automatically convert many standard library parts to its AC13 counterpart.
You will have to redo Favorites. You will also want to look through the New features guide for new options and settings some of which have been discussed here.
Make a copy of your file before migrating to AC13. Try one project first to get familiar with the process and what is new.

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Arcadia — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:52:37 GMT

You will have to redo Favorites.

This is going to be a PIA. I have heaps of fave's set up.

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Erika Epstein — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:01:06 GMT

What is PIA?

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Dwight — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:31:32 GMT

Pain in the Architecture.

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Arcadia — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:18:34 GMT

Erika wrote:
What is PIA?

"Pain in the ass". This is not just Aus slang is it? In other words a nuisance.

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:45:28 GMT

""Pain in the ass""
It's worse than that, if I get this right.
So all my favorites settings GONE
in upping to 13?
lec

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:47:09 GMT

Arcadia wrote:
This is not just Aus slang is it?

No, although we Yanks usually include the article, making it PITA, as in: "W T F! That's a PITA!" 😉

K

(Note that W T F if spelled as one word gets censored: WTF!!)

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:50:04 GMT

lec1212 wrote:
So all my favorites settings GONE
in upping to 13?
lec

No, not at all. All of the Favorites will be there ... but will refer to library parts in the 12 or earlier library. So, all Favs for walls, columns, etc will be just fine. It will only be the Favs for library objects - notably windows/doors - that would have to be updated if you want them to refer to the corresponding 13 library parts. Same migration issue as all prior versions.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Arcadia — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:53:49 GMT

Trouble is most of my favourites refer to third party 3d objects/windows/doors etc.

What happens to complex profiles and composites that have been set up?

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Anonymous — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:58:07 GMT

That's a relief.
Guess I didn't read the post close enough.
Thanks
lec

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:41:58 GMT

Arcadia wrote:
What happens to complex profiles and composites that have been set up?

Any attributes (such as those) will be present when you open the file. Nothing new - whatever was there will be there.

There really are not many issues involved in migrating. As always, there is no requirement that you use the newer libraries. You can always save a PLA from the old version and open that in 13 - or open the PLN using the old library folders.

Karl

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Arcadia — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:00:04 GMT

And will the package I get from Archicad as a select client be upgrade software or a new package? Ie can I run both v12 and v13 on my system for a time as needed. Maybe I should ask graphisoft this question but I usually get quicker answers from this board than them.

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:42:47 GMT

Arcadia wrote:
And will the package I get from Archicad as a select client be upgrade software or a new package? Ie can I run both v12 and v13 on my system for a time as needed. Maybe I should ask graphisoft this question but I usually get quicker answers from this board than them.

Graphisoft does not distinguish between new and upgrades (other than the delivery of a protection device with a new license). The package and disk are the same. Any licensed user may legally run all prior versions of ArchiCAD that their protection key is compatible with.

The key situation is important to be aware of:
http://www.archicadwiki.com/ProtectionKey

Note that with a WIBU key (blue USB keyplug), you can run versions 6 through 13 (current).

Codemeter keys can currently ONLY run 13. As noted in that Wiki article, patches for 10, 11 and 12 are supposed to be released later this month that will allow them to be run with Codemeter. But, it sounds like there is no intention of supporting any earlier versions which will limit Codemeter users to the read/write capabilities (for older projects) listed here:
http://www.archicadwiki.com/ArchiCAD%20versions

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Arcadia — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:59:02 GMT

That's very useful info. Thanks Karl.

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:17:27 GMT

Everyone talks about 'migration' like it's a command or menu selection or something. What are the steps involved in "migrating"? I don't think I fully understand the concept, let alone how to do it?

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

David Larrew — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:30:59 GMT

"Migrating" refers to being able to update an older version AC file to work successfully within the new version. The AC13 documentation has "migration" instructions that will help you if you choose to upgrade an older file.

Many firms choose not to migrate older files and just finish the older project up in the older version of AC. Only starting new projects with the new version - In this case AC13.

Re: Any tips on migrating to V13?

Anonymous — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:34:05 GMT

Skaman40 wrote:
Now migrating an existing Teamwork project into AC13 is a different story...

only received v13 couple of days ago, so haven't tried this; therefore, based on nothing but speculation:

- sign in to v12 teamwork file with exclusive access and save as .pla archive;
- open .pla archive with v13 and share as teamwork file.

in theory this should work, YMMV (see below )