topic Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS in Project data & BIM

REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:52:40 GMT

Here's my problem, somehow a project has gotten littered with all sorts of layers from consultants. I have gone through all drawings in all hotlinked modules, I have turned all tools to "one active layer, and have successfully purged all of these unwanted layers. Everything looks great, I run updates, everything looks great, but then I reopen that file the next day, and all those unwanted layers are back. I have checked all forums, and tried everything, can't clear 'em. Any suggestions.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

David Larrew — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:06:07 GMT

Are you using any X-Refs?
Are you using the Attribute Manager to delete the unwanted Layers or are you just deleting them in the Layers dialog?
What type of files are the Hotlinks? How many? Do you have Nested Hotlinks?

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:12:16 GMT

There were DWG xrefs, but their attributes are filed in the correct spot. I have also deleted them, still same result. But, I believe this is where they came from, somehow they've jumped over the line. I purged the layers in the Attribute Mngr. There are 5 hotlinked pln files that are model info only, no nested modules.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

David Larrew — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:16:07 GMT

And the Hotlinked .PLN files don't have any of the rogue Layers in them? Just the main file?
Is the main file Teamworked (.PLP)?

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:19:18 GMT

No, all the .PLN files act exactly the same, including the main file. The main file was a .PLN until yesterday, I was trying to clear this up before then, but it is now a .PLP

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

David Larrew — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:17:50 GMT

Hmmm. How many Layer Combinations do you have in the main file? I've heard of some instances where unusually large number of Layer Combinations caused unexplained file problems.

Once the file has been Teamworked it is harder to work on attribute problems like this.

How many of the rogue Layers are in the file? You could always rename the rogue Layers to be used in the project. Have you tried renaming the Layers to see if the renamed ones remain and the original Layers return?

It is hard to troubleshoot without the actual file to investigate. Have you talked to your local reseller and asked for help?

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:31:46 GMT

Not an unusual amount of combo's, about 8.

I know, if I can think of anything to help it, then I'll stay late and work it as a solo file, but I've exhausted all my ideas.

There's probably 200. About 10 times more than the layers I setup. Haven't tried renaming, could try and see.

No, never have talked to the wholesaler, never had a problem I couldn't eventually fix.

Any other suggestions. Now that someone else doesn't have any other ideas I am really getting worried.

Also, while I have you paying attention, do you think that a 250 mb file is too big? I've done a lot of tweeking to get it down to that.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:33:42 GMT

I've even tried starting w/ a blank document, and merging in the model, they still appeared. My only idea now is to copy and paste the model into a blank.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

David Larrew — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:06:23 GMT

Copying the model into an empty clean file should work. If not, there is definitely something in your file that is linked to those Layers.

Before resorting to the copy-paste into a new file exercise, you could try this:
1. Start a fresh file from "New and Reset".
2. Delete all Layers (except ArchiCAD Layer), all Sections and Elevations, all Layouts and Master Layouts (except 1 Layout and Master), all Materials, all Line Types, all Composites... you get the idea.
3. Save the file.
4. Open the problem file.
5. Delete the rogue Layers.
6. Merge in the saved empty fresh file.
7. Save the file.

See what that does.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:34:42 GMT

I'll try that, thanks for your input.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Erika Epstein — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:16:00 GMT

Evan,
Have you tried to reattach the xrefs and choose the option to 'Remove Xref's Attributes'? This has been discussed a few times, most recently here.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:19:18 GMT

Yes, I've seen that post. But wouldn't those layers be grouped with the xref layers (you know, under the line)? These are grouped w/ my layers. Would that work for that type? The strange thing is that they purge just fine, but then come back.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:58:49 GMT

Did you delete all the unwanted layers in all your hotlinked files and save them too? Maybe you did this already with no success.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:01:58 GMT

Yes, I thought this was the problem all along, and had been putting off cleaning them up until I had access to all files. This is when I realized that there was a stranger problem. Still can't figure it out.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:06:23 GMT

My first thought is that you have the layers in one of those linked files and they get added when you update the hotlink. If memory servers me correctly, modules will only bring the layers (attributes) that are actually used where as a linked PLN will bring ALL layers (attributes) in that file.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:10:29 GMT

I know, strange thing is that I've tried deleting all hotlinks, purge successfully, close, save, reopen, and they reappear!?

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Anonymous — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:13:59 GMT

I've also had this very annoying rogue layer creation happen when x-ref'ing consultant dwgs. these are layers created above the x-ref line. From what I can tell, they seem to be associated with consultant's Autocad linetypes. If I knew more about Autocad-maybe this would make sense. Civil engineers especially seem to use dozens of linetypes, one for every type of element, even if lines are visually identical. Layers seem to be created for each one. can't figure out hat to do about this. If it means converting every linetype in the translator--not worth the effort

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

skYo — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 06:19:09 GMT

Has it been solved at all? I'm facing very similar problem and I wonder where this one landed.

Re: REAPPEARING LAYERS

Laszlo Nagy — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 22:47:06 GMT

This is a 12-year old thread, you are probably using a completely different version than people 12 years ago.

So I would suggest that you start a new thread, detailing your issue, add screenshots and system specs, Archicad version etc. so we can help you better.