topic Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25 in Project data & BIM

Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

reidweber — Tue, 04 Oct 2022 11:14:17 GMT

Hello, I am excited to see that you can now view zones in section and elevations in Archicad 25. This feature prompted me to download this version and transfer from 24. But when I open a file, I cannot figure out how to display a zone in Section. Is there a toggle I'm missing to display that information? In the graphisoft overview it went into a lot of detail about the new zone tag but the zones aren't visible in section to tag.

Floor Plan showing Zones

Section not showing Zones

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

James Murray — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 18:25:01 GMT

New checkbox under Project Preferences > Legacy. On by default to preserve status quo.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

Jeff Griffin — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 18:26:10 GMT

Options > Project Preferences > Legacy > uncheck "Hide Zones and their associated Labels on Section-type views".

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

reidweber — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 18:30:19 GMT

That did it. Thanks!

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

Lingwisyer — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 06:18:11 GMT

Zones can show in Section now? Awww... too bad we won't be moving off 22/23 for a while to come...

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

Barry Kelly — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 08:36:58 GMT

They sure do.

But there is one little problem that I can see.

In section (as in plan) you will see the zone colours.

This of course can be turned off with a Graphic Override.

That works fine in plan but in section, the colour goes but the zone is not transparent.

You have to make the surface a 100% transparent colour (or use a transparent surface like air space).

But still the zone is not transparent.

You also have to turn on the 'Transparency' setting in the section settings.

Then you get what you want (I left the model contours on here, just so you can see the zone is still there.

What is the problem you ask?

What happens if I don't want my windows, shower screens and other glass panels to be transparent?

It is not really a problem unless there is something behind the glass you do not want to see.

But so far, I see no way to keep my glass opaque and the zone transparent.

Barry.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

Eduardo Rolon — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 11:27:06 GMT

Standard drawing convention for the last 100 years is that "transparent materials" are solid in elevation and section so Zones Color needs to be turned off as an MVO not by changing materials etc.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

James Murray — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 11:35:44 GMT

I'm going to wireframe the zones layer in working section layer combos, hide zones in section output combos, and create a dedicated combo for viewing zones in section in order to layer them.

I’m sure this is out of scope and maybe even impossible, plus the die is cast, but: It would great for the zones to be invisible in section but still selectable/labelable via tabbing though the element stack with the magnet cursor.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

James Murray — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 11:37:34 GMT

"viewing zones in section in order to LABEL them." It would be great if the edit button worked.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

reidweber — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 15:04:52 GMT

This seems like a reasonable process. Keeping your zone Label on a separate layer and hiding the layer of the zone in section if you don't want to deal with the graphic override and transparency issues. A "make zone category color transparent" option would be nice.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

David Shorter — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 05:14:24 GMT

Great pity that the Zone stamp doesn't link directly to a Surface. It means we have to manually link the colour on the floorplan to the surface in section, elevation and 3D

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

Electric Flute — Sat, 06 Nov 2021 21:35:13 GMT

So zones in sections/elevations are solid blocks. If I want to see my project I must make a Graphic Override Combination to make them transparent. But I don't always want glass to be transparent.

Half baked solution.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

Barry Kelly — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 00:51:26 GMT

I think the best solution if you want to keep the glass in windows as solid (not transparent) is to wire frame the zone layer in the elevations as @James Murray suggested and use a Graphic Override to hide the contours.

Or hide the zone layer completely as @reidweber suggested - just be sure to turn off the option in the label to hide with associated elements.

Just when you need to add labels, be sure to change to a layer combination that shows the zones as solid.

Barry.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

Electric Flute — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 18:18:39 GMT

Thanks Barry, these workarounds do works. But they mess with our layers standards.
I think we have to stand loud that those workaround are not the best practices. Perhaps Graphisoft listen us.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

David Shorter — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 10:43:16 GMT

If you create Surfaces to match the Zone Stamp colour and match these surfaces to each Zone stamp then everything works because these Surface can have transparency without a GO.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

Electric Flute — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 14:46:50 GMT

Yes, but this only works with transparency turned on in Section Settings. This option affects all the glasses, and maybe I don`t want them to be also transparent. That is the point.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

David Shorter — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 22:44:39 GMT

Zones in Section don't have to be solid and glass can be solid if required.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

reidweber — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 23:19:44 GMT

What settings do you have applied to your zone surfaces to create the transparent zones and opaque glass?

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

David Shorter — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 23:58:55 GMT

I have a series of Surfaces which match the Zone Category colours. I use them for both the Section and 3D views. These Surfaces are semi transparent and the Sections have transparency on. I have introduced an additional GO rule which changes the Glass Surface to white (to remove the transparency). I use the Zone surfaces as shown because I think its a waste of time to to just show Zones in 3D as Glass especially when creating a Massing Study.

Hope this helps.

Re: Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

tomwuertz — Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:16:25 GMT

I don't have a checkbox under Project Preferences>Legacy to uncheck. I'm using Archicad 25 3002 USA FULL