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Windows Vista

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:46:34 GMT

I'm looking for somebody working with Windows Vista ...

Re: Windows Vista

TomWaltz — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:36:24 GMT

If you check the Wiki, you will see that Archicad is not supported on Vista yet, so you can expect problems.

Re: Windows Vista

Andy Thomson — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:39:43 GMT

That being said, I was at a firm that was running AC10 on Vista. I had expected it would be a mess when they opened the 3D window because I thought openGL wasn't supported, but it looked and performed just fine, so I am wondering also about other user's experiences with Vista....

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:31:23 GMT

We seem to have gotten through most of the bugs that have been reported with Vista and AC 10.
My Issude now is that I cannot save the file- it says it can not save, or can not open the plan file...

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:30:31 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
We seem to have gotten through most of the bugs that have been reported with Vista and AC 10.
My Issude now is that I cannot save the file- it says it can not save, or can not open the plan file...

*Update on my own Issue:

. I can "Save", I just cannot "Save As"

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Wed, 09 May 2007 13:19:12 GMT

Also Quicktime (now 7.1.6) is not yet supported on Vista which means you cannot save quicktime movies. (fly-through, vr object/scene)

Of course you could save AVI-s, but Vista has a bug which makes it impossible. It will be fixed in Service Pack 1.

So if you need movies, then switch when either of them is fixed.

Re: Windows Vista

stefan — Wed, 16 May 2007 12:59:23 GMT

If you wait for ArchiCAD 11, you will have better support.

I have tried AC10 EDU on Vista 64-bit and it worked more or less:
- no WIBU drivers at that time (now they are available)
- no Amyuni driver support (not required anymore with AC11)
- no Aero interface (no problem)
- rather slow

But it seemed to be compatible at first sight. I have not tested extensively and did not install AC10 on my current Vista install anymore.

Re: Windows Vista

Steve Jepson — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:00:03 GMT

Apparently Cigraph is counting on ArchiCAD 11 to be Vista certified.
I hope it will be soon.

http://www.cigraph.it/cigraph/pagetrans.do?view=HOME_NEWS&action=notizie_det&lang=en&pof=0&news_id=107

" ArchiCAD 11 certified compatibility on Vista guarantees Cigraph's Plug-ins will work fine on it.
All the Cigraph's Plug-ins will be available for ArchiCAD 8.1, 9, 10 and 11."

http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/vista/

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Sat, 26 May 2007 23:37:16 GMT

New computers are shipping with Vista. so it is not really optional anymore.

The client I work with bought one and I was working on getting a usable AC9 workstation out of it. (athlon 64x2/geforce 8800) Based on the recommendations and custom install without gs shell extension, then before running downloading the wibu driver installation was successful.
the 3d model in opengl was obscured and was visible only during rotation. Downloading the latest nvidia driver fixed this problem, but it might be a side effect of a new driver, since Vista has turned the color scheme to Vista Basic claiming that the new driver is not compatible with the Aero color scheme.
after that so far (1 day) here are the still outstanding problems/issues:

-for any other account than the admin (under which AC was installed) Archicad exits with the following: Application failed to initialize: error 0x0002, even if the account has system administrator privileges.

-plotmaker is crashing (not responding) frequently when updating a freshly published pmk file from archicad

-the pdf problem I plan to work around with checking a vista compatible version of PDFCreator - a freeware I was very happy with on XP

-There is no designjet driver for Vista (AT ALL, let alone 430 with jetdirect)
so I installed a laserjet driver with the jetdirect ip address, and plotmaker did plot to that driver without any problem- so far

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Sun, 27 May 2007 14:33:04 GMT

Ferenc wrote:
The client I work with bought one and I was working on getting a usable AC9 workstation out of it.

From what you describe it sounds like it would be cheaper to install XP.

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Sun, 27 May 2007 15:57:09 GMT

....on a new Mac

it is an experience straight out of the Mac commercial, you constantly compare it to the "starting up a mac" experience

as I saw more examples running windowsXP on the macbook pro WHEN necessary it feels like my next windows workhorse will be a mac.

I saw Archicad demoed on it, and lately on the Maker's Faire lot of developers did their windows development, Visual Studio on MacBook Pros- SWEET!

as for Vista/XP goes, it's deja vu all over again: 3.11/95, 98/95, NT/98, 2000/NT, XP/2000.... with ever more restrictive licensing agreements...

"stick to XP(2000,NT)" sounds good, but at one point the changing reality makes it a luddite argument.

sure, the earlier you adapt, the more thorns you will meet, but the later you adapt, the harder it will be.

kind'a analog to when you liked a couple things better in the earlier version of ArchiCAD, but you would be looking strangely today on the person who sticks with ArchiCAD 7 on Mac OS9

Vista by the way is looking appealing, nicer, more up to date, eventually better user experience (once you explore it), but takes some patience and learning - which I hate to dedicate to Redmond idiosyncrasies

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Sun, 27 May 2007 16:02:07 GMT

so: if you are working on XP, don't jump.
if the vendor asks what version you prefer on your new PC: XP
if the purchase you are comfortable with comes with Vista: don't freak out, take some time adjusting to it and figuring it out.

wrinkles will be ironed out eventually.

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Sun, 27 May 2007 16:04:52 GMT

I generally wait about 6 months to 1 year to upgrade to a new version of Windows (though I think I got NT4.0 soon after it was released) - at least until service pack one is released. It definitely saves a lot of trouble.

On the Mac side I usually wait a few days to see if there are any significant issues before I update/upgrade.

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Sun, 27 May 2007 16:29:10 GMT

That's good practice.

Over time XP will feel awkward compared to Vista- once you figured it out.
But there are circumstances (new machine, working in mixed environment), which could color the picture somewhat.

To buy a new copy of XP and install it over Vista sound extreme, and new, powerful hardware tend to be released with the "system of the day" drivers

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Sun, 27 May 2007 19:33:48 GMT

Ferenc wrote:
To buy a new copy of XP and install it over Vista sound extreme, and new, powerful hardware tend to be released with the "system of the day" drivers

I know, but at the end of the day it's whatever gets the job done that matters. As I understand it, HP and Dell are still offering XP as an option on new machines.

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 03:02:22 GMT

If I understand corectly - if you have Vista you are allowed to install XP (home to home, pro to business etc.) for free. You just need CDs.

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 03:23:41 GMT

thanks.

that might be a good "plan B) strategy. Does one enter the Vista key at XP installation? Anybody did this-and care to share?

I didn't have the time yet to deeper research (I think there is not too much of a budget either)

My plan b is take this opportunity to persuade the client to update to R10, - no pmk update. We'll see.

Re: Windows Vista

stefan — Tue, 29 May 2007 07:38:30 GMT

Running AC9 on Vista? You can't really blame Graphisoft for problems with this combination.

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Tue, 29 May 2007 14:02:47 GMT

Blame?

did I mention blame? I didn't think so. The client hasn't updated yet, and all his projects are currently on 9.

BTW. it wouldn't be such a bad idea from goodwill perspective that if there is a fix GS would release it. The Vista issues posted by GS are for versions 9 and 10, so this is not far fetched in the real world. I bet I'm not alone.

This is talk, and I posted here the experience that other people can learn for it, and maybe I can learn from other people's experiences.

Re: Windows Vista

stefan — Tue, 29 May 2007 14:17:19 GMT

Ferenc wrote:
Blame?

did I mention blame? I didn't think so. The client hasn't updated yet, and all his projects are currently on 9.

BTW. it wouldn't be such a bad idea from goodwill perspective that if there is a fix GS would release it. The Vista issues posted by GS are for versions 9 and 10, so this is not far fetched in the real world. I bet I'm not alone.

This is talk, and I posted here the experience that other people can learn for it, and maybe I can learn from other people's experiences.

I'm not here to defend Graphisoft, but if the client insists on running an older release, I would advise to run it in an environment for which is was properly tested...
I have used Virtual PC in cases where I needed a really old application to run in its old OS on a current PC. That might work just fine. I'm not sure about dongle-compatibility, though.

Fixing patches, compiled and supported, are hard to justify when current development has just finished release 11. It would probably help a lot to disable any fancyness in Vista (Aero) and run in XP or 2000-mode.

The whole CAD world seems to agree to not advice the use of Vista for CAD and 3D applications. There has to be a reason for that 😉

(FWIW, I have installed Vista, but do my main work in XP and OSX).