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WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:04:04 GMT

I AM CURRENLY WORKING ON A BUILDING WITH MULTIPLY PROJECTS.

SCOPE OF WORK
1.) DESIGN A NEW GYM
2.) DESIGN A NEW CAFAE

TO SPEED UP THE WORK FLOW, I HAVE BEEN USING EXTENSION @ THE END OF MY LAYERS TO DISTIQUIST BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS. EXAMPLE (1Z-WALL.GYM) / (1Z-WALL-CAFE). THIS METHOD WORKS FINE BUT YOU END WITH A LOT OF LAYERS THAT ARE SIMILAR IN NAME WHICH MY TIME LEADS TO DELETING,LOCKING,HIDE BY MISTAKE. CAN I USE THE ZONE TOOL HANDLE THIS ISSUE

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:21:50 GMT

One question: WHY?

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:16:15 GMT

No expert on this, but I would do the following for campus type projects(note, very brief explanation):

For speeding up your work, split your campus project into three separate PLN files with one for each building, and the third for the site model.

After creating PLN models of the two buildings, save each of the two buildings as Hot Linked Modules (file extension MOD). These HLMs will be periodically re-saved as the design progresses.

Insert each building module into the master site PLN at the desired locations.

Note that after source building files are updated and re-saved as HLMs, the destination master site PLN file must update those Hot Linked Modules.
Goto File > External Content > Hot Link Manager, select the out of date hotlinks, then hit 'Update.' Now your master site PLN will have any and all changes made from your individual source building PLN files.

Please read up on Hot Link Modules for a complete explanation. That should speed you on your way.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:24:18 GMT

Absolutely follow Scott's advice:

Scott wrote:
For speeding up your work, split your campus project into three separate PLN files with one for each building, and the third for the site model.

Do not combine multiple projects in one PLN -- this will only complicate things.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:48:15 GMT

THANK Scott

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Erich — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:49:47 GMT

Also, if you absolutly must work in this fashion consider putring your modifier first in the layer name so it will group by location. Having it at the end puts similar elements together (ie. all 1Z-wall's are adjacent) but mixes up each sub project.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:29:18 GMT

AFTER I HAVE CREATED MY MODULE FILE CAN I DELETE THE SOURCE FILE AND WORK DIRECLY ON THE MODULE FILE. DO I STILL NEED THE SOURCE FILE ??????? I SEE NO REASON FOR HAVING THE SOURCE FILE AM I MISSING SOMETHING

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Scott Bulmer — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:56:14 GMT

Agayle,

A good question that I have myself.

You can save the entire file as a HLM using File > Save-as, or a portion of the PLN using File > External Content > Save selection as module. Be careful when saving using the External Content method as there is a checkbox that, which if selected will group the selection, and you may not want that.

Because I sometimes will save a selection, like an apartment unit or bathroom as a module, I just got in the habit of keeping both the original PLN as well as the MOD files.

Also, I will complete the condocs for each building in their own PLN file, then combine in the master site PLN using the project chooser.

Separately however, for Visual Legends (favorites), I only keep and modify/maintain the MOD file. Those files do not have Layout Sheets in the Layout Book.

So, to answer your question, I keep the PLN files & overwrite the MOD files as the project evolves, however I do see that it appears the MOD file may be able to achieve the same. For 'Legends' HLMs, I only keep the MOD file.

Hope that's not too confusing, and is most of what I know on this subject. Keep us informed on your progress.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:38:38 GMT

i have a module file that i want to add some elevation and section Markers to, but i know from pesonal experience that a module file will skip section/elevation and cameras when you place it into yore Original Plan. I am not sure if i should go into the oringnal plan to add my section/elevation.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Scott Bulmer — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:45:13 GMT

There's your answer.

Because markers and camera paths are not recorded into MOD files, you have to keep and develop the original source PLN files. Please refer to my earlier post on condoc configuration.

Good work.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:57:45 GMT

Just to clear it up a bit:
1. You can insert ordinary PLN files as Modules, not just MODs.
2. Be careful that the two MODs (or PLNs which act as MODs) have the same Layers and Story Heights.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Scott Bulmer — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:07:39 GMT

Kliment,

That raises another question;
What is the purpose of MOD files if PLNs do the exact same thing? Are MOD files materially different or separately better for certain or specialized uses than PLNs?

Thanks,
Scott

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Laura Yanoviak — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:07:48 GMT

The advantage of hotlinking MODs is that a MOD is much smaller in size than a PLN. ...also see this post...

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Anonymous — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:58:19 GMT

Scott wrote:
What is the purpose of MOD files if PLNs do the exact same thing?

When you have a multi-storey bilging with several identical floors you can just model/draw one of them, save it as MOD and insert it in the other storeys. Thus you have the advantage of having the typical plan as an ordinary storey drawing in the building's model. And when you change it you update the MOD files, inserted in the other stories by the "Save Selection as Module" command.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Anonymous — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:02:32 GMT

By the way, a question to native English speakers:

What is the difference between "storey" and "floor" and whichs the proper word?

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Rob — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:06:31 GMT

mate a dictionary is the best, however to my knowledge a floor has a wider semantic meaning as oppose to a storey but in the architectural context the meaning is the same

Storey

British
a structure consisting of a room or set of rooms at a single position along a vertical scale.

Floor

1. that part of a room, hallway, or the like, that forms its lower enclosing surface and upon which one walks.
2. a continuous, supporting surface extending horizontally throughout a building, having a number of rooms, apartments, or the like, and constituting one level or stage in the structure; story.
3. a level, supporting surface in any structure: the elevator floor.
4. one of two or more layers of material composing a floor: rough floor; finish floor.
5. a platform or prepared level area for a particular use: a threshing floor.
6. the bottom of any more or less hollow place: the floor of a tunnel.
7. a more or less flat extent of surface: the floor of the ocean.
8. the part of a legislative chamber, meeting room, etc., where the members sit, and from which they speak.
9. the right of one member to speak from such a place in preference to other members: The senator from Alaska has the floor.
10. the area of a floor, as in a factory or retail store, where items are actually made or sold, as opposed to offices, supply areas, etc.: There are only two salesclerks on the floor.
11. the main part of a stock or commodity exchange or the like, as distinguished from the galleries, platform, etc.
12. the bottom, base, or minimum charged, demanded, or paid: The government avoided establishing a price or wage floor.
13. Mining. an underlying stratum, as of ore, usually flat.
14. Nautical.
a. the bottom of a hull.
b. any of a number of deep, transverse framing members at the bottom of a steel or iron hull, generally interrupted by and joined to any vertical keel or keelsons.
c. the lowermost member of a frame in a wooden vessel.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

David Maudlin — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:47:24 GMT

kliment wrote:
By the way, a question to native English speakers:

What is the difference between "storey" and "floor" and whichs the proper word?

Kliment:

When talking about ArchiCAD, "Story" is used to define the various floor level heights (Basement, 1st, 2nd, ... Roof) in a project, this is the term used in the interface (Story Settings). Floors are place in each story (usually with the Slab Tool), and a single story could have multiple floors, these floors could be at different heights within the story.

HTH

David

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Laura Yanoviak — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:18:08 GMT

David wrote:
[When talking about ArchiCAD, "Story" is used to define the various floor level heights (Basement, 1st, 2nd, ... Roof) in a project, this is the term used in the interface (Story Settings). Floors are place in each story (usually with the Slab Tool), and a single story could have multiple floors, these floors could be at different heights within the story.

This is a good definition of the distinction between the two -- we use the term "Level" (i.e. First Level) in our documentation, as "Floor" can be a construction assembly or finish.

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:23:11 GMT

Than you, Dave and Rob!
Of course I have looked in the dictionary and I know what AC means by "story"!:)
But what is the word you use in everyday work? The common word architects use?

Re: WORKING ON MULTIPLY PROJECTS IN THE SAME ARICAD FILE

Rex Maximilian — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:23:55 GMT

I knew the moment hotlinks were created in ArchiCAD 5 (was it?) that the ambiguous use of the term "module" would become confusing for everyone. Most people think they can only link in .mod files because of this.