topic Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11 in Project data & BIM

Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 07:04:41 GMT

Hi folks,

I'm testing out AC11 before for my office, before installing it on our machines and moving our files over. And I've hit a glitch:

We've got an 5 story project, which we have separate PLNs for each floor, and then I've built a "Full building" model importing Hotlinks of all the stories. (We found this easier than Teamwork. Go ask Andyro). In AC10, it worked fine. Here's what happens in AC11:

1. Open file. All stories present. Decline updating Hotlinks. I confirm various stories are present.

2. I open HL mgr, and update all hotlinks, and then i have only 1 story. My hotlinks are still loaded, but not placed.

I suppose I can try merging it into a new file, but, anyone know something about 11's hotlinking that might help?

Thanks in advance.

-Nathan in New York

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

TomWaltz — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:37:15 GMT

IT's not just multi-story hotlinks. It seems to be a bug with Modules in general.

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:37:34 GMT

I did a little more testing, and even rebuilt the multistory model from scratch to see if it would behave differently. No change, updating modules leads to the deletion of all stories.

Am I misplaced in expressing my shock at GS for releasing AC11 with this bug? I can't believe it was unknown to them.

I wonder how anyone who does any tower project could be using current version of software now.

-Nathan

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

TomWaltz — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:39:47 GMT

I'm not seeing it all the time. It's very sporadic for me, maybe 1 in 15. I don't remember seeing this bug in the Beta Test, though I was not doing a lot of hotlinks, so it could have gotten by me.

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:07:21 GMT

I did some testing of hotlinks and didn't run into this (still haven't seen it myself) but I wasn't using any big multistory projects.

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Chazz — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:38 GMT

Nathan wrote:
...updating modules leads to the deletion of all stories.

Ouch!

Archicad: the (singe story) Virtual Building Solution

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

TomWaltz — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:11:05 GMT

It doesn't really delete ALL stories, just all except the current one 😉

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Rick Thompson — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:51:30 GMT

It might be behaving like linked external files from another pln. The external files need to be saved in AC11 also. If not, they want maintain the link.

When Hotlinking in 11, use only 11 files

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:53:34 GMT

Upon further testing, it seems that when the individual PLNs are saved as AC11 files, the stories remain intact on update.

So beware of nested modules from previous versions, they might bring your project to the ground.

Thanks for the note on placed drawings as well.

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Rick Thompson — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:03:34 GMT

This was something that drove me nuts in beta testing. I kept reporting that I couldn't maintain the links, but GS could not "duplicate" it, so it went unresolved.. "and now we know the rest of the story".

GS.. please make note of this and I did send in a report when it dawned on me what was actually happening, but after AC11 was released.

Re: When Hotlinking in 11, use only 11 files

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:06:19 GMT

Nathan wrote:
Upon further testing, it seems that when the individual PLNs are saved as AC11 files, the stories remain intact on update.

So beware of nested modules from previous versions, they might bring your project to the ground.

Thanks for the note on placed drawings as well.

Perhaps that's why I haven't seen any problems. I haven't (and wouldn't) link up files from different versions. It seems like asking for trouble, especially when the hotlink and modules functions have been significantly upgraded.

Tom,

Were your problems with linking files between 10 and 11 or should we still be worried about this?

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Rick Thompson — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:33:51 GMT

Matthew... the significance for me is I store all my "standard" details in one detail file. To me, I should be able to continue having it function (within reason of course). Now, I have to have 2 detail files with the same stored details since I can't convert 400+ files in one day ... actually 3 detail files, one for AC9 I need for file conversion. So, it can get messy quick. I think it should be something GS should have working without resorting to multiple identical files.

But, the bottom line is as you say.. you're asking for trouble... o'well.

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:01:57 GMT

Here a comparison no one will like:

In AutoCad, if you have an Xref from release 12, and you're working in release 14, it won't delete information from your 14 file when you update it.

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:05:05 GMT

Nathan wrote:
Here a comparison no one will like:

In AutoCad, if you have an Xref from release 12, and you're working in release 14, it won't delete information from your 14 file when you update it.

Is that a complex, multi-story, building model xREF?

ArchiCAD also updates xREFs (and other drawing types) from all sorts of sources without data loss.

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:13:35 GMT

Rick wrote:
Matthew... the significance for me is I store all my "standard" details in one detail file. To me, I should be able to continue having it function (within reason of course). Now, I have to have 2 detail files with the same stored details since I can't convert 400+ files in one day ... actually 3 detail files, one for AC9 I need for file conversion. So, it can get messy quick. I think it should be something GS should have working without resorting to multiple identical files.

But, the bottom line is as you say.. you're asking for trouble... o'well.

Do you also have the problem if you merge the detail module? It seems that might resolve the conversion problem.

Most firms I work with prefer to merge details into the project anyway as that allows customization as needed for the project, as well as the freedom to modify the standard details without compromising existing projects.

Re: When Hotlinking in 11, use only 11 files

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:05:30 GMT

Nathan wrote:
So beware of nested modules from previous versions, they might bring your project to the ground.

The behavior described in this thread can only be called a 'killer' / unacceptable bug.

Even if there is some file technology difference, there should be a warning dialog and under no circustances should information be lost. That is the least that GS must do. In principal, there is no reason that they cannot properly convert and link in modules from any prior version.

Karl

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Rick Thompson — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:58:11 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Do you also have the problem if you merge the detail module? It seems that might resolve the conversion problem.

Most firms I work with prefer to merge details into the project anyway as that allows customization as needed for the project, as well as the freedom to modify the standard details without compromising existing projects.

I simply place them on the sheet, and most were actually done quite awhile back and brought over into AC10. It is very easy to navigate to the linked detail file and drop them on the sheet, so no real need to merge. Also, I like them linked to a master since I reuse these plans over and over. That way I can change the master and change all uses of the detail. This was useful when most states adopted the IRC as standard, which required a few additional notes. I have never really fooled with modules.

So, I need to "compromise" all existing projects that detail goes in. I have evolved quite an extensive detail pln:)

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:46:02 GMT

Rick,

I forgot for a moment that your practice is different than most. Naturally the merge/unlink option doesn't work for you.

Karl,

You are right of course that this is a major, killer bug. I hope I didn't come off as too much of an apologist for GS. I am very concerned for the viability of the module functions and just a little embarrassed that I didn't turn this up during the beta.

Re: Update Hotlinks in multistory model, Stories Vanish AC11

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:55:06 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Karl,

You are right of course that this is a major, killer bug. I hope I didn't come off as too much of an apologist for GS. I am very concerned for the viability of the module functions and just a little embarrassed that I didn't turn this up during the beta.

Not just you, Matthew, but the feeling of the thread seemed like one of acceptance and work-around, implying that this is what is to be expected from software quality control at GS. I just wanted to remove any doubt that IMHO this is something that GS must address in the first hotfix.

None of us could test everything in the beta...and of course, we were not able to test the final release version...so no need to feel embarassed. 😉 Interestingly, most of us in this thread were there...

Karl