topic Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1 in Project data & BIM

Wall Composite? Pic 1

Anonymous — Tue, 30 May 2023 11:12:03 GMT

Hi,
I'm wondering whether I can control the 2D Represetation of Wall composite at different scale
Pic 1 is the the way I want at general plan/scale
Pic 2 is the way I want at partial plan: showing more detail with brick fill and layers of render outside (Please see the next post for this image)

Anybody know how?
Please advise

Thanks

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 2

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:17:51 GMT

Here is the pic 2 for the same post

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Barry Kelly — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:38:18 GMT

This is exactly what the "Partial Display Structure" option does in version 12 (and I assume 13).

You need to set up your composites with all the skins and you can tell each skin if it is a core component, finish component or neither.

Then adjust the partial display structure option to get the plan/section view you require.
The partial display is saved with the view points.

Just be aware that the dimension you place in partial display option will not appear in the others.
So you will need to re-dimension for each display option if the dimensions are needed.
Barry.

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Barry Kelly — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:40:20 GMT

Sorry after re-reading your post I see you want it controlled by scale.
You will just need to set up view points for the plan at various scales using the different partial display options.
Then it will all be automatic as you choose the different views.
Barry.

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:11:05 GMT

Thanks alot Barry. I figured out your advise.
However I am also wondering: Say at small scale (1/200) I wanna show the only skins of wall (without the core) and with Fill, but at the large scale (say 1/50) I wanna show entire structure (this is easy to do).

The reason is I don't wanna to have wall's dimension omitted the skin in any situations

Is there a way for it ?

Thanks

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Barry Kelly — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:52:18 GMT

I don't think so.
The core is always visible in all partial views.
It could possibly work the way you want if you could make the outer skins the cores but unfortunately the core skins can not be separated by a non-core skin.

If you want to dimension the finish (non-core) skins at smaller scales then unfortunalety you will have to have them showing along with the cores - negating the need for the partial displays in the first place.

Barry.

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:05:54 GMT

Thanks Barry.

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:05:59 GMT

Hi Tran,

You can do tricks that can work at some scales by assigning particular pens to the skins and fills and then having custom pen sets that turn those pens to white (invisible is not an option) so that the core skins, for example, do not show up.

Your first image showed that you wanted the brick fill to fill the entire wall cavity - but the brick fill would stop short of the exterior skins. At a small scale, it might not be noticeable. If you want any of the fills to not show in certain drawings, again, replace the fill pen with a white pen. All of this requires a lot of discipline in assigning pen numbers particular functions - which is why the new (in 12) Partial Structure Display was so welcome. Yet, even with it, pen tricks can sometimes help.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:27:34 GMT

Thanks Karl
I'll try

Cheers

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:25:42 GMT

Hi Folks,

Perhaps I'm missing something... But in this situation I'd use model view options...
It doesn't fill the wall with a single vectorial fill, but the solid soft colored fill works like a charm for me.

HTH.

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Erika Epstein — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:12:54 GMT

Braza,
I was thinking the same way, MVO. It won't give you the option of fill type, but the solid with or without the separator lines has worked well for me. I use this for smaller scale drawings as the fill pattern is usually not necessary.

Barry's suggestion of Core only display would also work well at smaller scales.

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:15:10 GMT

Yeah, I didn't mention MVO since Tran could not get the brick fill that he wanted...

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Wall Composite? Pic 1

Anonymous — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:45:15 GMT

Thanks guys,
I am aware of Model View Option but as Kahn already mentioned, I need to have control of fill type (brick type).
I think this is it.
Thanks all
Cheers