topic Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers. in Project data & BIM

Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Anonymous — Tue, 30 May 2023 10:53:36 GMT

I am relatively new to archicad and fumbling my way through a bit.

I have set up existing, demo, and new layers for text, dimensions and walls.

I am running into a problem.

If I have a wall on the new layer that overlaps a wall on the demo layer ,which is turned off, I end up with a hole in my new wall. It is trying to reconcile I suppose or automatically clean up the intersection.

I need to stop this from happening. Any ideas?

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Eduardo Rolon — Sun, 25 May 2008 21:33:09 GMT

In the Layer Palette change the Intersection Number for that layer.

Same numbers they intersect, different numbers they don't.

Read Page 22
ArchiCAD 11 Reference Guide

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

David Larrew — Tue, 27 May 2008 02:25:56 GMT

Be sure to update any/all your Layer Combinations since the Intersection Number is stored in each LC.

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Ignacio Azpiazu — Tue, 27 May 2008 04:42:45 GMT

David wrote:
Be sure to update any/all your Layer Combinations since the Intersection Number is stored in each LC.

There is an add-on, 'Intersections in Combos' or something like that. You run it and it gives some number (say 1) to the visible layers and some other number (say 0) to the hidden layers, going over every single layer combination. Especially if you are developing your layers setup, running that every now and then is much better than manual maintenance. Very rarely you may still need to go manual for some subtle tweak, but the bulk of the work is done by the computer.

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Thomas Holm — Tue, 27 May 2008 09:18:45 GMT

Ignacio wrote:
David wrote:
Be sure to update any/all your Layer Combinations since the Intersection Number is stored in each LC.
There is an add-on, 'Intersections in Combos' or something like that. You run it and it gives some number (say 1) to the visible layers and some other number (say 0) to the hidden layers, going over every single layer combination.

The Intersections in Combos add-on will return Archicad to older version's behavior that hidden layers did not interfere with the visible. This is straightforward but doesn't allow for the more sophisticated options for layer combinations that individually set intersection numbers allows. Since it changes your settings overall, be careful!

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Ignacio Azpiazu — Tue, 27 May 2008 11:58:16 GMT

Thomas wrote:
The Intersections in Combos add-on will return Archicad to older version's behavior that hidden layers did not interfere with the visible. This is straightforward but doesn't allow for the more sophisticated options for layer combinations that individually set intersection numbers allows. Since it changes your settings overall, be careful!

There is a time for aikido and a time for a shower of katyusha area saturation rockets.

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Thomas Holm — Tue, 27 May 2008 14:41:03 GMT

Ignacio wrote:
There is a time for aikido and a time for a shower of katyusha area saturation rockets.

Absolutely! but because this add-on might screw it all up if you're using a carefully set-up template, I thought a warning is required.

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Djordje — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:12:11 GMT

Ignacio wrote:
There is a time for aikido and a time for a shower of katyusha area saturation rockets.

Aikido exists in the smoking silence of the empty katyushas too.

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Ignacio Azpiazu — Wed, 28 May 2008 04:58:01 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Absolutely! but because this add-on might screw it all up if you're using a carefully set-up template, I thought a warning is required.

Oh that's right. Based on the nature of the problem I assumed he was stuck while setting everything up from scratch and thought brute force would provide a good starting point, but it can happen with a 'Demo'-'Exst' addition to a solid refined 'New' template.

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Thomas Holm — Wed, 28 May 2008 07:23:16 GMT

Ignacio, you may well be absolutely right, and your solution the best in this case. I'm sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. I just thought these posts will remain and will be read by others for some time to come. Thus, I wanted to complete the picture.
Best regards,
Thomas

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Ignacio Azpiazu — Thu, 29 May 2008 01:15:36 GMT

!?!

[No offense! I was trying to say exactly what you are saying, that you are right and that my proposed solution can make a huge mess in some situations!]

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Thomas Holm — Thu, 29 May 2008 05:34:51 GMT

OK. I'm over-sensitive sometimes and quite numb at others. That's life.

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

KeesW — Thu, 29 May 2008 12:42:50 GMT

The Demo/New Layer issues raises a fundamental archicad 11 problem; why should a layer that a user chooses to hide EVER interfere with a layer one chooses to show?

Re: Conflict between Demo & New Layers.

Anonymous — Thu, 29 May 2008 15:03:52 GMT

KeesW wrote:
The Demo/New Layer issues raises a fundamental archicad 11 problem; why should a layer that a user chooses to hide EVER interfere with a layer one chooses to show?

It used to work that way (wall intersections defined by layer visibility) and it was limited and problematic in many situations (it's been so long that I can't remember the details). The correct term is not interfere but interact and there are many reasons not to tie this interaction strictly to layer visibility. It is a complex problem that was finally resolved after years of tweaking by separating wall intersection from layer visibility. The current system allows for the most control and versatility, though there is always room for improvement.