topic Re: Rebuild views in Project data & BIM

Rebuild views

Tom Krowka — Tue, 30 May 2023 10:59:59 GMT

I have all my views set to manual rebuild. Is there any way I can rebuld all model s/e from model but using the view settings(especially layer combinations) instead of the model settings.

Re: Rebuild views

TomWaltz — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:09:31 GMT

Not that I know of. (part of why I keep my elevations on Auto-Rebuild)

Re: Rebuild views

Link — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:18:58 GMT

You can but they have to be clones, so it's pretty limited.

You still having trouble with this?

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Rebuild views

Tom Krowka — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:16:48 GMT

Yup. It's probably cause I have been working under some assumptions re:views that have been false.
I'm trying to determine a way that I can be sure that the views are rebuilt with their saved settings when they are set to manual rebuild and I do a bunch of work on the floor plan. I'd like to do this without opening each view and rebuilding separately.
I have twenty views. I'm sure there can be more on bigger jobs. How does eveybody else do it to be 100% sure that what is on the layout reflects updated (rebuilt) views.

I've also tried to verify through experimentation that updating views on the layout will automatically update manual rebuild views to show all the most current work on the layouts. Even though the views are still set to manual rebuild. That would bypass rebuilding each view separately.
It seems to work like that but can't be 100% sure.

Seems like AC needs a command for "rebuild all views from the model using the view saved settings" so you could do them all at once. It takes a long time to do each view seperately and someone to sit behind the computer and watch each view regenerate. Time is money.......

Re: Rebuild views

TomWaltz — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:30:42 GMT

I might have missed this in the thread, but why are you so against auto-rebuild sections?

Re: Rebuild views

Tom Krowka — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:13:16 GMT

because some of the elevations take four or five minutes to rebuild on screen. I do a little bit of work, try to look at it, sit there like an idiot watching the little progress bar move. Wastin time.......

Re: Rebuild views

Tom Krowka — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:41:55 GMT

Actually, it's worse than that. Eleven minutes, I just timed it.

Re: Rebuild views

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:43:16 GMT

Tom K

Do you have this checkbox OFF? (in Options, Preferences, Miscellaneous)

At least this way it doesn't rebuild every time you change something on the elevation. I find this to be bearable. (My elevations currently taking about 20seconds to rebuild tho, not 11 minutes!!!)

Re: Rebuild views

Tom Krowka — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:03:34 GMT

What's the difference between that and autorebuild in the s/e marker? It's off on both places anyway

Re: Rebuild views

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:11:07 GMT

With this checkbox checked (i.e. ON) every time you make a change on the elevation itself, it will rebuild. So if you modify a window, for example, it rebuilds, as opposed to just moving the window and letting you get on with things.

If its off already, it should only be when you switch from some other view to your elevation (changing settings in the process like layers) that your elevation will rebuild. If you go to a second elevation, then back to the first, and they have the same settings, the first one will not have to rebuild again.

Clear as mud?

Re: Rebuild views

TomWaltz — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:03:36 GMT

Tom wrote:
Actually, it's worse than that. Eleven minutes, I just timed it.

Whoa!!! Is your model huge? Or your computer really slow? Are your interiors turned off?

It seems to me there's something more to that problem. I have 14-story x 400' buildings that do not take that long.

Re: Rebuild views

Tom Krowka — Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:30:50 GMT

Not that big. Three stories, 9000 s.f. per story. I do have six different modules within it. The modules are in the project specific library. I wonder if that might have anything to do with it. I took the landscaping out, which reduced time to (gasp) only eight minutes.

Re: Rebuild views

Link — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:33:04 GMT

Have you hidden everything but the shell of the building? Is all the interior stuff turned off?

Anyway back to your problem..

I've also tried to verify through experimentation that updating views on the layout will automatically update manual rebuild views to show all the most current work on the layouts. Even though the views are still set to manual rebuild. That would bypass rebuilding each view separately.
It seems to work like that but can't be 100% sure.

I don't think this is the case mate. They are separate deals. You will have to manually rebuild the Manual-Rebuild S/E's and then update the Drawings. They are two completely different tools with different updates.

You can obviously use the View > Refresh > Rebuild Sections/Elevations > Rebuild All Model S/E's from Model command to update all the S/E's. And then you can use the Drawing Manager to update all the Drawings.

I don't think there's much more to it. Of course if you had Autorebuild Model S/E's and Auto Update drawings, it would be much smoother!

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Rebuild views

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:20:44 GMT

Are you calculating shadows in you S/E? What about vectorial hatching? If you are you can turn these off and only turn them back on when you are ready for output. Another thing I have done at times is disconnect these fills and shadows so I only need to re-do the process if there are major changes (only is good when the project is fairly stable).

The whole section elevation rebuild thing drives me crazy as well. Especially how you can have just gone to a section elevation window, it has re-built, and then go to the layout sheet where it is placed and archicad needs to re-build it once more. In these days of dual and quad processors I would think some of our power could be used in the back ground continuously re-building these drawings so we avoid this lag.

Re: Rebuild views

Tom Krowka — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:15:41 GMT

Link:

You can obviously use the View > Refresh > Rebuild Sections/Elevations > Rebuild All Model S/E's from Model command to update all the S/E's. And then you can use the Drawing Manager to update all the Drawings

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Thought that process was easy and obvious. too. However, the rest of the problem is that the command you noted above does not appear to use the view layer combo settings. Unless I have some other setting wrong.
It uses the settings that the current floor plan has. So bunches of things don't get rebuilt if the layer combos are different in the elevation view from the floor plan.

IMHO that is a major major problem. What that means is that I have to sit at the computer, open each view separately and rebuild it to get the right layer combo to display. Then update on the layouts. Am looking for something that will allow me to update all the views at once, automatically, to their saved layer combination.

Something is not right here.

Re: Rebuild views

__archiben — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:20:04 GMT

Tom wrote:
Am looking for something that will allow me to update all the views at once, automatically, to their saved layer combination.

as i said - in one of your topics talking about this - switch all of your manual-rebuild sect/elevs to 'automatic', open the drawing manager and select the placed views you want to update, and hit the update button.

switch the sect/elevs back to manual-rebuild once you've finished. you can use the 'selections' palette to help you manage the correct sect/elev selections to switch back.

Something is not right here.

you're right, it's not. the problem is the update time - GS haven't considered the time-loss involved with working in automatically rebuilding viewpoints. but unfortunately, the option above is the best i can come up with to combat it.

~/archiben

Re: Rebuild views

Tom Krowka — Mon, 20 Nov 2006 00:35:00 GMT

I'm going to try it out on Monday. IMHO, that's a back door way to do it, but if it works, I'm there. It seems to me that autorebuild and manual rebuild have different sets of rules they operate by..

Will try to get past this issue and write about how great AC really is.

Thanks.

Tom

Re: Rebuild views

__archiben — Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:15:56 GMT

Tom wrote:
It seems to me that autorebuild and manual rebuild have different sets of rules they operate by..

it is a kind of workaround, but of course autorebuild and manual rebuild have different sets of rules they operate by! one automatically rebuilds the window and the other expects YOU to update the window. the auto/manual rebuild commands are doing just fine - it's just you that hasn't understood the process properly. a viewpoint can have multiple views attached to it - how the hell is archicad supposed to know which one you want to update when you manual rebuild without first specifying those view settings?!

try seeing the auto/manual rebuild commands as working commands, NOT view/layout commands.

what's missing is a command that allows you to select multiple views and 'rebuild selected views'.

~/archiben

Re: Rebuild views

Djordje — Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:00:34 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
what's missing is a command that allows you to select multiple views and 'rebuild selected views'.

If placed on the layout, you can - in the Drawing manager, as you rightly mentioned. Select the views, hit Update.

Whooops ... REBUILD ... then in the Navigator, select the views, open them ... have lunch ... (yes, this is the problem!) ... update in layout.

Re: Rebuild views

Tom Krowka — Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:10:47 GMT

Djordie:

Sort of confused by your reply here.

Whooops ... REBUILD ... then in the Navigator, select the views, open them ... have lunch ... (yes, this is the problem!) ... update in layout.

Let me see if I understand the process. I have a bunch of views I want to update that are placed on the layout but the views have not been individually updated. So then I...

go to navigator
select the views I want to update
rebuild
have lunch while they rebuild
then select the views in the drawing manager, then hit update.

I have tried that, but the views update with the incorrect layer combinations. They update based on the layer combinations of the last open window.....unless I'm doing something way wrong.