topic Re: schedule of fills from an elevation in Project data & BIM

schedule of fills from an elevation

PaulS — Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:28:07 GMT

I would like to have an auto-summed list of areas taken from an elevation. my guess is that it cannot be done? I work in both v16 and v17. is there a work-around??? thanks.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Anonymous — Tue, 27 May 2014 06:07:38 GMT

I'd like the same feature. Weird that it's not available. Is there hope in ArchiCAD18? Either way it's worth sending the request to Graphisoft.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Eduardo Bell — Sat, 21 Jun 2014 22:44:38 GMT

This is how I do it:
1. Select all fills you want grouped together and give them the same ID.

2. Set up your schedule to filter them by ID to add them up.

Done.

Ed

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Barry Kelly — Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:16:00 GMT

It is not possible to schedule anything in an elevation.
The only work around I can think of is to copy the fills and paste them to the side of your plan.
Then they will schedule but will not update automatically if you adjust the fills in elevation.
You will need to copy/paste to the floor plan again making the same changes there as you have in the elevation.

Barry.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Eduardo Bell — Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:24:14 GMT

Yes, this is strictly a 2D technique. May help to select the elevations in a Worksheet and use those fills for the scheduling, you can then update as needed and will not have to deal with mixing 2D and 3D on the same window.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Barry Kelly — Tue, 24 Jun 2014 03:18:37 GMT

Eduardo wrote:
Yes, this is strictly a 2D technique. May help to select the elevations in a Worksheet and use those fills for the scheduling, you can then update as needed and will not have to deal with mixing 2D and 3D on the same window.

As far as I know you can't schedule anything in a worksheet.
You can only schedule what is in the plan (2D & 3D elements).

Barry.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Steve Jepson — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:07:06 GMT

PaulS wrote:
I would like to have an auto-summed list of areas taken from an elevation. my guess is that it cannot be done? I work in both v16 and v17. is there a work-around??? thanks.

You can use a Trace Reference of what ever it is you want to know the area of.
The Trace Reverence can be temporarily moved to where ever you want it and you can trace it with a fill to get the areas into an Interactive Schedule.

Like Edwardo, I also assign an ID to the fill. And I add an ID Label so that drawings of the fills will match the schedule.

It helps to use a %25 fill or similar with no background so it is transparent while your placing the fill over a Trace Reference and you can see what your doing.

Of course there are other ways to get the surface areas of things into an interactive schedule but they are not always so verifiable or accurate as this less sophisticated way of doing it.

For example, surface areas the siding. The siding may extend above the top of the wall up to the bottom of the top chord of the trusses with a raised heel. Also, the siding may extend down below the bottom of the wall to cover the rim joist and mud sill + just a little.

There are many situation where you can reduce the amount of modeling you might have been doing strictly for the sake of schedules that is not necessary if you are getting your surface areas this way.

There are lots of ways to use this technique.

See attached image.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:37:52 GMT

Now in Archicad 19 and still you can't list fill areas from Elevations? Or am I wrong? Any other ideas apart from copying all fills back to the 2D plan Workspace?

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Steve Jepson — Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:27:10 GMT

I think you are correct. You still can't extract the area of a fill in Elevation into a schedule.
Copy and paste to a plan view is the way I am still doing it because of the advantage this method has in adjusting the area manually to places like the bottom of the frieze board, around the glass- not the sash, to include the surface at the rim joists, notching around things...

It would be very useful to extract the area of a fill from an elevation into a schedule.

The need for this is at least in some way relative to how you model the walls and if your using SEO on parts of it, is it a Complex Profile...lots of things to consider, all of which would be simpler if we could extract the area of a fill from an elevation into a schedule.

For example, the surface area of lap siding is never the same as the wall height because of the soffit, frieze board, and perhaps a water table or other trim. So the surface area you can extract from a wall is not really useful for everything.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Bonnie — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 04:34:36 GMT

This is still true of Archicad 25 - Super disappointing and confusing! I genuinely do not understand why they would exclude elevations from the (very powerful) utility of automatic scheduling. We are trying to use automatic scheduling to extract quantities for quoting and not being able to use this approach for wall tile is frustrating.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Barry Kelly — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 05:13:11 GMT

The problem is you can have multiple elevations all looking at the same wall.

So if you add fills to all of those elevations representing the same tiles, you will get multiple quantities.

You can only have one plan and one 3D model

Add your tiles there as an object, a wall or maybe even a morph surface plane.

They will show in your elevation and you can get accurate quantities.

Barry.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Bonnie — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 06:22:37 GMT

That’s true, but you are able to accidentally schedule objects multiple times, it is up to the Architect/drafting practitioner to ensure their drawings are accurate, it’s easy enough to add a modifier in a fill ID to stop it from scheduling (or ensure only fills with certain Element ID’s are scheduled at all) if you wish to represent the same area on multiple elevations.

Re: schedule of fills from an elevation

Marcelov — Sun, 14 Jan 2024 23:07:02 GMT

In lists you can extract the square footage of the fills, you can select which views this information will be extracted from.
I just wasn't able to insert this information as a table on the board with reference to the fill I'm using.
Does anyone know of anything like this!?