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Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

hevi — Wed, 15 May 2024 11:27:46 GMT

I hope that it is not just the top 100 liked wishes that get transferred to the new wish list but also every wish that has been previously acknowledged by GS and given an wish# - I mean that list should just be sitting there vetted and ready to go 🤔

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 22 May 2024 00:11:30 GMT

After reading the Wishlist Spring Cleanup posts, my understanding about the significance of the Top 100 wishes is that "...the top 100 most upvoted wishes will undergo automatic evaluation for potential inclusion in our Product Management and Development roadmap".

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

hevi — Thu, 04 Jul 2024 07:34:27 GMT

As we now can see the new wishlist taking form: https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Wishlist/idb-p/wishlist there are a few comments to be made. It seems as the spring clean top 100 got directly qualified to upvoted which otherwise would take 80 votes within 3 months. Given the number of votes and time taken to reach it historically this seems as a very high requirement that not many wishes fulfill if the new initiative doesn't induce a drastically change in the incentive for users to interact. I would advise that the time component is removed or atleast increased. If this isn't done it becomes crucial that the wishes made earlier and acknowledged by GS by being entered into a database also are transferred into the upvoted category - or what exactly was the point of that exercise? And ideally also high polled wishes from the old forum should be entered.

Regarding the increased incentive for users to interact - by the looks of it this won't happen due to the UI which has Khoros sickness and lacks a clear overview (the wish report was excellent) which only leaves the ability for GS to deliver wishes as a potential incentive. And regarding this it there seem to be a lot of built in hold-ups so let's hope that GS can push some easy ones through quickly to show result!

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

Noemi Balogh — Thu, 04 Jul 2024 06:51:19 GMT

Hi @hevi,

I'm happy to reflect on a few of your concerns. What you see on the new board is a work in progress version of the first iteration of the pages. You can argue with me if it was necessary to make the current version public already, but personally I voted for this way, because if we don't do this, all you'd see is a closed wishlist on the other board and that "Graphisoft disappeared yet again for a month".

The number 80 you find pretty harsh is one of the things we still consider in the background, we check the analytics and do our researches. No need to worry about this. All the wishes that were in the top 100 from the old board were considered already upvoted. These wishes will be evaluated by the Product team in the upcoming period.

Regarding the user interface, it's not ready at the moment, will change in the upcoming weeks and even what you see then is not meant for forever. We'd like to continuously update and progress with it and I can assure you that we have plans much further than the next month. It will take time, we cannot guarantee perfection immediately, but we're happy if you share in details which elements you find problematic to understand and why, so we can reconsider with the UX team what can be done.

Kind regards,
Noémi

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

hevi — Fri, 05 Jul 2024 01:05:34 GMT

Of course I understand that it is a work in progress (thus the phrasing "now can see the new wishlist taking form") and I don't mind it being done in public as it gives us the opportunity to make comments like this along the way. But to be honest I can't see how that pre-empts the appearance of fragmented development when this feature allegedly has been worked on since the launch of the new community - one would think that the front end would be ready close to three years later.

80 votes in 3 months is both high and short - a statement supported by the fact that not many if any out top of 100 would reach that and that is under a GS driven campaign to boost votes - and there is, respectfully insisted, need to worry about that. Yes - the number of needed votes can be adjusted along the way but I really can't see the reasoning behind the time component. Whats the reasoning if a wish is closed at 75 votes? Could there just be a new topic created with the hope of more votes that time or is that topic locked out forever? Why not have votes up without time limit and just ignore anyone not getting traction and purge as needed? It's not like votes grow old and even if they do there is still the option to close after upvote.

I also noticed that it currently seems as voting is to be closed after upvoted status? If votes will be nothing but an initial requirement for consideration it seems strange that old wishes that already has been acknowledged by GS and igen an IDEA# shouldn't be entered into the system. Could we get a an answer regarding this?

Regarding the UI - there is no need to make it look like a demand for perfection when it is about lacking fundamentals that has been brought up by me and others regarding the platform in general (mostly to no avail). I won't spend more time going into it again but it simply seems hard for GS (or Khoros) to deliver something with focus on function rather than form. I did notice a that there was a improvement since my last post, Before there was three items fitted on the screen, now there is eight but compare that to the 25+ of a the wish report which is more than the current per page count (not controlled through preferences). And that is after scrolling down to avoid the standard header and oversized status banner.

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

hevi — Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:53:20 GMT

Reusing this thread for more whishlist UI feedback. @Noemi Balogh - It doesn't seem that we can control how comments made to wishes are displayed as we can for posts? The only setting I find for comments is under Under Prefrences > Events and that doesn't seem to effect the wishlist comments. I would like to display newest comment first and have more than 10 comments per page.

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

Ignacio Azpiazu — Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:56:52 GMT

GS destroyed a user forum with a 25+ year history. One of the huge differential assets GS had vs Revit (history, and a community of highly experienced and involved users). A user forum is a user forum, not something you clean up, and where you mix your marketing/support pages with actual posts.

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

mthd — Mon, 16 Sep 2024 01:16:49 GMT

@hevi Wrote “And ideally also high polled wishes from the old forum should be entered.”

I wholeheartedly agree.

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

Noemi Balogh — Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:45:33 GMT

It seems that unfortunately the currently used component does not support sorting comments any other way than from oldest to latest. We put it on the backlog and will get back to it in the upcoming months. (Hint: the re-open of the Wishlist board is very close.)

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

hevi — Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:00:55 GMT

Nice to see the new wishlist opened with a somewhat more screenspace efficient UI and the my wishes section will be useful! However, the old wish forum seem to be emptied - could we have the old wishes kept up for a period of time so that good wishes that didn't made the cut can be transferred and put to a vote without having to completely remember and rewrite them?

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

Noemi Balogh — Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:31:08 GMT

Glad to read you like the changes. Regarding the whitespaces, I'm not sure if you're aware of the compact mode (My settings > Preferences > Display > Use compact message layout), but it also reduces the whitespaces more. You might want to give it a try.

Regarding the old Wishes board - to be fair, I started archiving last month, but have some issues with it, that's why you can still see anything there. I issued a support ticket to our vendor, and we will see how quickly they react. If we can resolve the support ticket without archiving items immediately, we'll do that.

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

hevi — Tue, 24 Sep 2024 21:40:42 GMT

So does that mean that the old wish forum already is archived and not available for users? That would be unfortunate as there were quite a few wishes that didn't get automatically upvoted but still are relevant for voting in the new system.

And yes - the compact mode is a nice addition!

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

Barry Kelly — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 01:10:02 GMT

Feel free to make a new wish in the new list.

Just check that it is not already there as you create the wish.

Barry.

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

hevi — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 06:34:57 GMT

Why would I not feel free to make a new wish in the new list?

As said :

@hevi wrote:

... could we have the old wishes kept up for a period of time so that good wishes that didn't made the cut can be transferred and put to a vote without having to completely remember and rewrite them?

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

Barry Kelly — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 07:31:48 GMT

The old wish list was available for at least a couple of months (3?) for everyone to vote for their favourites.

Those deemed most popular made it through.

The old list has now been archived (it is still there, we just can't see it, not even me).

I think it is pointless having a duplicate of almost the same wishes, and some of those wishes were so old, they were no longer relevant anyway.

I know you want to see the old wishes so you don't have to remember and re-write them.

That shouldn't be a problem though, because if it is a wish that is important to you, you already know about it, which is why I said feel free to make a new wish.

I wasn't trying to be funny when I said that.

Barry.

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

mthd — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 07:59:01 GMT

The old wishes forum list would have taken a very long time to compile and produce. Probably a full time job to sort that list into what has been considered and implemented and what hasn’t ?

True if we can remember our wishes we can reproduce them but many users might be retired now. So their wishes will get wiped because they are not around to re-state them again.

I wish those at GS could be more thorough at the basic element modeling level so we didn’t need to make those simple wishes time and again.

You don’t need unnecessary development of things that only a minority of users will actually ever need. If GS can focus on the basics then the development roadmap path is much easier to define.

IMHO Archicad is already way too complicated than it needs to be and it is hard to learn and difficult to use. I prefer it over other CAD systems but make it more simple and straightforward to use please and the rest will take care of itself.

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

hevi — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 08:23:39 GMT

So you know that I want to avoid having to remember (not the wish as such but the arguments and any related discussion) and re-write but still you are suggesting exactly that? And now you are muddying the water by talking about the "spring clean" as if I have missed that process and suggesting that I want to duplicate any old wish...

The bottom line is that users for long has made an effort writing down and discussing aspects of AC that need improvement and expecting/suggesting that to just be redone is disrespectful. Just looking at my personal top wishes I can easily remember three that didn't make it (element manager, more efficient F&S, multiple coordinate systems) but there's a bit more to a wish than a title right?

With the move to the new platform the old polling got removed but we were assured that GS kept the record. Up until the new wishlist we had GS acknowledging certain wishes as entered into a database (naturally reducing the discussion/voting). So not only was that apparently nothing more than empty words but now we, without proper notice, also loose access to content we have created? What would have been the issue with users having concurrent access to the old wishforum and the new wishlist for a period of timing allowing for recuperation of efforts already made?

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

hevi — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 08:51:19 GMT

@mthd wrote:

The old wishes forum list would have taken a very long time to compile and produce. Probably a full time job to sort that list into what has been considered and implemented and what hasn’t ?

That is not what I'm suggesting. The initial question was if old wishes that GS explicitly acknowledged as considered interesting and entered into a database would be transferred to the new wishlist - they weren't. The latest question was if we can keep access to the old wishes so users can manually transfer wishes into the new system - it seems as we can't.

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

mthd — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 08:48:27 GMT

I am just suggesting that GS could sort the old list for all of us and save us much time ? Others put much time and effort into creating wishes on the old forum. That’s up to GS to decide what they want to do with that old list. Looks like it’s all gone for now ?

Re: Transfer of acknowledged wishes to the new wish list

Barry Kelly — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 09:56:19 GMT

@hevi wrote:

The initial question was if old wishes that GS explicitly acknowledged as considered interesting and entered into a database would be transferred to the new wishlist - they weren't.

No they weren't.

All of those wishes where a Graphisoft person tagged it as 'this is a great idea and is entered as wish 1234, or idea 1234' - or however they actually worded it, are already on an internal database that we can't see.

As I understand, they weren't transferred to this new wishlist, but they are still in the 'to do' list.

We still don't get to see that database (and there is no reason why we should) but effectively the new wishes are added to it.

It is just with the new system, we can track the status of the new wishes and eventually they will be linked to the roadmap if they become a feature that needs development, or if simple enough, they will just be done.

If a new wish now gets enough votes in the allotted time (or it is deemed important), it will be upvoted and has to be dealt with by an appropriate person in Graphisoft, who has to decide if it is feasible or not.

We will now get to see the outcome of that process.

And if a wish does not receive enough votes, it will be closed.

But that does not mean you can't make a new (maybe slightly amended) wish to try and get it through again.

Be assured no wishes have been lost.

Whether they (old or new) get acted on is still up to the Graphisoft Gods.

But with the new system, at least with the new wishes, we can track their status.

If you feel something is important to you, please make a new wish.

In the process you will be asked to check similar wishes already in the list.

If it is not there, create the new wish.

If that wish just happens to be an already acknowledged old wish, then it will double up in the database and it will be up to someone in Graphisoft to figure that out.

But at least now, if it gets enough votes from fellow members. it will get upvoted and you know someone in Graphisoft will have to deal with it.

Unfortunately, you can no longer see the old wishes, so you won't be able to copy information from them.

I have been told that is not going to change, so lets just build an new and current wishlist.

Barry.