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    <title>topic Re: Questioning about manuals ? in GDL</title>
    <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287846#M4287</link>
    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Moonlight wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
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I would like to thank you for explaining the part of the API in relation to Rhino users, you have just expressed my idea in words that I didn't know how to express.&lt;BR /&gt;

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I am happy to lend a voice and help GS solve this issue. I see this often here on the forum where there is a language barrier or a knowledge barrier and so many times the questions being posed go unanswered. Personally I have asked questions over in the python beta group and they have been ignored (and btw I cant even get the beta site to open anymore but I am starting to ask myself what is the point). To me this is insane. Where is the customer service? Look at any Rhino Forum, Blender Forum, Epic, Autodesk even now and you will see that no question goes unanswered for long or ignored and even those questions posed by the novice are given the same amount of attention as those by experts. Hell if I where to send Bob an email or a tweet he would reply! Now that is how you build a community around a tool. &lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Moonlight wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
But most important Graphisoft, just don't recreate past error in new ways and in new dates, for example, are you aware that until today the most important information source to learn GDL, is "&lt;B&gt;The GDL Cookbook&lt;/B&gt;" written by David Nicolson-Cole, a 20 years old book ????!!!!
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I think this is where GS needs to open up, provide a much better IDE to today's modern standards, drop the proprietary license crap including not being able to modify and share the existing built in parts (are you kidding me with this??) and then get a proper set of examples that are continually updated by either GS and/or the community live on github. Information goes out of date but having access to continually produced simple short real world examples is where its at. &lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Moonlight wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
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By the way, GDL should be defended as the excellent BIM object creation tool, not that of Revit Families.&lt;BR /&gt;

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This is absolutely true but not 100% correct. Where is the equivalent of the Family Editor? There is a library maker tool but that is again behind a walled garden, and honestly a seriously bad hack. Until GS provides a way to easily create Parametric GDL objects to everyone who purchases a license of Archicad this will always be true but not correct. &lt;BR /&gt;
It seems to me that there is some version of GDL in several Nemetschek software packages and they need to all get together and solve this. And if they really want to see GDL used open the tools up. Where is the compiler, the interpreter? Why is there no option to embed this into other packages? And yeah I guess I could license it but what is the real incentive for anyone other than Nemetschek to do that?  I think that GS may have really hung themselves with this one honestly because not everyone is interested in or should be required to script a needed library element. But they should all be able to take full advantage of GDL.</description>
    <pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2019 00:02:13 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Joe Putnam</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2019-03-02T00:02:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287821#M4262</link>
      <description>&lt;DIV class="actalk-migrated-content"&gt;Where is the place that I can propose the editing for manuals ?&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;For instance, right now, when revising COOR, COOR{2}, COOR{3} GDL commands, there was no mentioning that the these take effect after defining a specific body.&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2022 20:57:02 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287821#M4262</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2022-09-26T20:57:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287822#M4263</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Moonlight wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Where is the place that I can propose the editing for manuals ?&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
For instance, right now, when revising COOR, COOR{2}, COOR{3} GDL commands, there was no mentioning that the these take effect after defining a specific body.
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Well you have mentioned it here - someone from GS may pick up on it.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Or you could try the GDLCenter Forum ... &lt;A href="http://gdl.graphisoft.com/forums" target="_blank"&gt;http://gdl.graphisoft.com/forums&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
That is monitored more by the GDL guys from Graphisoft - at least they reply more there than they do here (for GDL problems).&lt;BR /&gt;
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Or send a support ticket to your local Archicad support people.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 02:01:13 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287822#M4263</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-14T02:01:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287823#M4264</link>
      <description>Thank you @Barrey</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 04:03:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287823#M4264</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-14T04:03:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287824#M4265</link>
      <description>@Barry&lt;BR /&gt;
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here it is&lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;A href="http://gdl.graphisoft.com/forums/topic/proposition-about-gdl-reference-manual" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://gdl.graphisoft.com/forums/topic/ ... nce-manual"&gt;http://gdl.graphisoft.com/forums/topic/proposition-about-gdl-reference-manual&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 15:40:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287824#M4265</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-14T15:40:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287825#M4266</link>
      <description>You can also make your further suggestion in this thread and I will report them to GRAPHISOFT for their consideration.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 22:40:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287825#M4266</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-14T22:40:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287826#M4267</link>
      <description>@LaszloNagy&lt;BR /&gt;
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Here are they:&lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;A href="http://gdl.graphisoft.com/forums/topic/proposition-about-gdl-reference-manual" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://gdl.graphisoft.com/forums/topic/ ... nce-manual"&gt;http://gdl.graphisoft.com/forums/topic/proposition-about-gdl-reference-manual&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 22:47:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287826#M4267</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-14T22:47:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287827#M4268</link>
      <description>Yes, I have seen that and I will forward that to GRAPHISOFT.&lt;BR /&gt;
I was talking about further/additional suggestions beyond the one you already wrote in that post.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 23:05:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287827#M4268</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-14T23:05:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287828#M4269</link>
      <description>Ok, I will take this advantage to write down few things:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Manual:&lt;BR /&gt;
1. Style: for Variable names, insert "bmat" for building materials (page 494)&lt;BR /&gt;
2. Connection with Grasshopper, I think it's time that Graphisoft include snippets examples for GDL that is controled by Grasshopper, instead of mentioning it in Grasshopper manual only.&lt;BR /&gt;
3. Nurbs, the examples that are mentioned in the manual is quiet obscure, better &amp;amp; clearer examples should be set.&lt;BR /&gt;
4.Radial graphical hotspot, type 7 is not clear where it's place, beside, the example that is drawn should be shown in 3D, and not in 2D only.&lt;BR /&gt;
5. Object Migration, snippets must not only mention what they do but how, may be as comment in the examples that comes in the manual.&lt;BR /&gt;
6. GDL debugger, must be included in the manual with careful instructions of how to use it with examples.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 23:52:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287828#M4269</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-14T23:52:33Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287829#M4270</link>
      <description>Thanks, I will forward also these to GRAPHISOFT.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2019 07:59:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287829#M4270</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-15T07:59:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287830#M4271</link>
      <description>@LazloNagy&lt;BR /&gt;
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7. Examples for cutplane{2} is deficient</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 16:45:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287830#M4271</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-20T16:45:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287831#M4272</link>
      <description>@LazloNagy&lt;BR /&gt;
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8. PROJECT2{3} needs examples</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 23:55:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287831#M4272</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-21T23:55:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287832#M4273</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Moonlight wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
8. PROJECT2{3} needs examples
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&lt;A href="http://gdl.graphisoft.com/tips-and-tricks/explore-the-project23-command" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://gdl.graphisoft.com/tips-and-tric ... 23-command"&gt;http://gdl.graphisoft.com/tips-and-tricks/explore-the-project23-command&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
The example object used is available in the link at the start of the page.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Ling.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2019 01:38:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287832#M4273</guid>
      <dc:creator>Lingwisyer</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-22T01:38:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287833#M4274</link>
      <description>And that is why it should be included in the manual</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2019 22:00:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287833#M4274</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-22T22:00:36Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287834#M4275</link>
      <description>@LazloNagy&lt;BR /&gt;
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9. Some neat tricks related to GDL creation would be nice.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
For example, the difficulty of using cutpolyA (&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/S&gt;&amp;amp; variants&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;) is that there is no direct way to see them in the GDL 3D preview, but you can write this for the manual (&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/S&gt;as an example&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":disappointed_face:"&gt;😞&lt;/span&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;

&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&lt;/S&gt;Tips &amp;amp; tricks:&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
Working with &lt;B&gt;CutpolyA&lt;/B&gt; (&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/S&gt;and variants&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;) can be a little difficult to use since that there is no direct way to see them, especially when they don't give you the result that you wish.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
But modifying the code to be prism_ compliant then by commenting the first line as seen in following example can make your work process a lot more easier ...&lt;BR /&gt;
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!cutpolyA 4, 3, 1,&lt;BR /&gt;
prism_ 4, 1,&lt;BR /&gt;
0.5, 0.5, 7,&lt;BR /&gt;
0.75, 0.5, 7,&lt;BR /&gt;
0.75, 0.75, 7,&lt;BR /&gt;
0.5, 0.75, 7
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      <pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2019 15:08:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287834#M4275</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-23T15:08:54Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287835#M4276</link>
      <description>Moonlight, &lt;BR /&gt;
You do not need to address your posts to me, it is enough to post them in this thread. I have forwarded it to GRAPHISOFT,</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:54:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287835#M4276</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-24T15:54:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Questioning about manuals ?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287836#M4277</link>
      <description>Done</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:57:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287836#M4277</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-24T15:57:10Z</dc:date>
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      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287837#M4278</link>
      <description>@LazloNagy&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
This note should have been included in the GDL manuals&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=11333#p11333" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?p=11333#p11333"&gt;https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=11333#p11333&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 00:07:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287837#M4278</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-28T00:07:34Z</dc:date>
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      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287838#M4279</link>
      <description>By the way &lt;B&gt;CWALL_&lt;/B&gt; command doesn't even have a tiny whiny lousy example, and in the forums there is only 4 entries, being 1 as moderately related.  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_rolleyes.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 00:10:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287838#M4279</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-28T00:10:34Z</dc:date>
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      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287839#M4280</link>
      <description>&lt;FONT size="150"&gt;&lt;B&gt;&lt;FONT color="#FF0040"&gt;NON GDL Side Note&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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Graphisoft should start to ship it's API manuals as PDFs (2 to be accurate):&lt;BR /&gt;
1. One for reference.&lt;BR /&gt;
2. Second for first steps using API</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 00:13:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287839#M4280</guid>
      <dc:creator>Nader Belal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-28T00:13:46Z</dc:date>
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      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287840#M4281</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Moonlight wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Graphisoft should start to ship it's API manuals as PDFs (2 to be accurate):&lt;BR /&gt;
1. One for reference.&lt;BR /&gt;
2. Second for first steps using API
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
The API reference documentation is fine the way it is:&lt;BR /&gt;
- It comes with linkage to VS and Xcode (for interactive use)&lt;BR /&gt;
- It's far quicker to open a small document for the info you're interested in (a PDF with the API reference would be enormous)&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Is there some specific advantage you're seeking from a PDF?</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 08:14:07 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Questioning-about-manuals/m-p/287840#M4281</guid>
      <dc:creator>Ralph Wessel</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-02-28T08:14:07Z</dc:date>
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