topic Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual? in GDL

Wall accessories documentation or manual?

concepsys — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 12:03:32 GMT

Hello,

Where can I find any documentation regarding programming gdl objects based on the Accessories add-on for Archicad?

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Hmooslechner — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:47:10 GMT

There are none. You just can open one of the existing GDLs for the additional library for the admins and look for yourself through the code. Is basically taking some of the element-parameters and makes holes and edge-forms with Group-Objects and SEO-substracts it from any additional form to get the result.

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concepsys — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:37:30 GMT

Thank you for your reply.

That is what I am starting to do now but I had to ask.

Even some basic instructions would take me less lot of time than having to go through discovering the idea behind these objects.

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SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:42:06 GMT

I have some very robust accessories I've built, pm me and maybe we can chat and I can give some guidance.

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

concepsys — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:53:28 GMT

Hello SenecaDesignLLC

By reading the default object code, as suggested by Hmooslechner, I believe I have grasped the concept for now.

It seems simple enough. I will do some testing.

I don't want to bother you without doing my homework first.

If I come across something that I don't understand, I'l contact you.

Thank you so much.

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 17:37:16 GMT

Feel free to ask me questions I have built wall roof and slab accessories that I use on the daily for framing siding soffit fascia floor systems and they all output quantities.

I've learned a lot of the basic tricks of you want a head start on your homework.

Good luck!

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

gaba — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 06:42:35 GMT

I am also interested in this topic and I have a key question: is it possible to place more than one (or two) wall equipment object on the wall? Because from my tests it seems that only two objects: outer and inner. And is there a way to get around this?

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

Barry Kelly — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 07:21:16 GMT

I just applied 3 of the same wall accessory (different settings) to the same side of the wall.

Barry.

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

gaba — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 08:09:32 GMT

@Barry and if you move the wall, will the 3 accessories still be linked to the wall? Because in my case, unfortunately, only the last accessory moves with the wall and the previous ones lose their connection to the wall. And it makes no sense to put on many accessories. Because I add a window and not all accessories update.

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

Barry Kelly — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 08:32:47 GMT

@gaba wrote:

@Barry and if you move the wall, will the 3 accessories still be linked to the wall? Because in my case, unfortunately, only the last accessory moves with the wall and the previous ones lose their connection to the wall.

This is true.

Only one inside and one outside accessory remains linked.

So, yes there is a limit to one per side.

Barry.

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

gaba — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 08:46:17 GMT

@Barry Unfortunately...

That's why I smile at Graphisoft, which has removed this limitation, thanks to which building wall accessories will be easier and you won't have to load many ideas (grids, strips, pilaster etc.) into ONE object with a lot of parameters.

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

Piotr Dobrowolski — Sat, 28 Dec 2024 07:32:15 GMT

I am searching for something that triggers the wall accessory to rebuild. No parameters are reported by glob_modpar_name, as far as I could find. A trick with "previous" length check does not work either. Any hint?

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Hmooslechner — Mon, 30 Dec 2024 09:00:23 GMT

sorry but - no.

I really dont know - understand, why the deciders at Graphisoft won't let support this potential best of their own addons sufficiant enough, that simple scripters like us can get the full potential from it - and so - the whole community.

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 30 Dec 2024 16:39:20 GMT

Changing the id, or selecting the walls the accessories are tied to and open close settings will force the accessories parameters to update.

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SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 30 Dec 2024 16:42:12 GMT

I ended up building a wall accessory that has all the sheathing, Sheetrock, base and case, exterior cladding interior cladding, and framing all in one.

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SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 30 Dec 2024 16:44:45 GMT

I agree, i just barely figured out what I needed to get the opening shapes identified. It would have taken so much less time if there had been documentation on how the coverings are reading the openings. I learned a lot this holiday season lol

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Hmooslechner — Mon, 30 Dec 2024 16:59:45 GMT

Congratulations on Your developing skills!

My 2 Cents: For the interest on it, i worked again on it about a month or so to get out the Group-commands to make it a little faster reacting in Archicad - made cutplanes and equals instead. But i was distracted by personal circumstances and made other GDLs..

What i tried to do - to make a copy of my original parts a little offset for comparing reasons - the thing under the roof - where i tried to figure out how- or if- its possible to get the whole profile of the wall - even if its cut per roof..

for interested:

AC28EduAut: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nbo05akqw6x7xed7djajn/Archicad25-GDLs-f-r-Wandaddon-Fensterumrandungen-4v28.pln?rlkey=wtiuwhvx5clbcnw8rt9hrtz30&st=f42lblqs&dl=0

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SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 30 Dec 2024 17:12:26 GMT

I will take a look, the accessories that came with the add on have code for reading the top and bottom shapes of that's ultimately what you are after.

We need to have a community collective and write our own documentation lol

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concepsys — Mon, 30 Dec 2024 17:41:36 GMT

Hello SenecaDeslignLLC,

Thank you again for your availability.

I have now developed Wall, Roof and Slab objects.

Yet, I still don't understand the use of some default arrays...

I am now struggling with what I believe can be some kind of BUG with the Wall accessory, I have posted on a different thread: https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/GDL/Possible-BUG-on-WALL-Accessory-objects/m-p/644921#M7286

Re: Wall accessories documentation or manual?

Piotr Dobrowolski — Tue, 31 Dec 2024 08:11:55 GMT

I found a trick to update (apart from "update" button in the UI), though it might work only partially: the addon does not update parameters unless forced, so the calculations and parameters have to be done straight in masterscript (which i did at the first time, but after checking modpar change which did not wok) or in the 2d/3d scripts, and then if anything is called the parameters + values have to be listed straight (not "parameters all"). I have a "tile" editor in every tile (int parameter in an array) so when user is wiling to use it the object has to be rebuild. Now I am working to put the geometry to editable array, so the geometry will be user changeable if necessary.