topic Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do? in GDL

I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

LeeJaeYoung — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 04:42:21 GMT

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Barry Kelly — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 04:50:55 GMT

I don't think you can do anything about this as door/window objects do not respond to send forwards/backwards?

I don't have Archicad running so can't check.

But is it really a problem?

Sure when you zoom in on screen you can see it, but in a printed plan, I would doubt you would notice.

Definitely not if you are printing in black & white.

Even printing in colour it would be hard to see at small scale (1:100).

And if you are doing large scale details, you probably won't be wanting to show such a simple detail, you will probably draw it in more detail with 2D lines which you can control.

Barry.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

LeeJaeYoung — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 05:11:51 GMT

The door below is the door I am studying.
In the existing door, the frame is below the wall open line, but the one I studied is above. This is a question I'm asking because I'm curious as to why.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Barry Kelly — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 05:24:18 GMT

Well, it can't be display order as that is not applicable to doors & windows.

Is it the Level Of Detail In the Model View Options (they seem to have a different LOD) or the Renovation status?

Either way I don't think you can control it.

Barry.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

LeeJaeYoung — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 05:33:31 GMT

thank you.
I'm in Mongolia for a while now, so it's a difficult situation to study everything about windows.^^
I will go to Korea to study more and ask questions.
Have a happy weekend. ^^

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

LeeJaeYoung — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 05:34:25 GMT

Oh, I am grateful that the ac26 runs even on a really slow computer. ^^

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Lee Hankins — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 12:30:30 GMT

This is something that I feel needs to be changed globally across the whole software. Wall opening edge lines should always appear in front of door frame lines.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Lingwisyer — Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:16:06 GMT

The issue there is how Wall Closures are currently handled. Since they are purely 2D, they are drawn over the top of the surrounding wall.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

LeeJaeYoung — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 03:41:40 GMT

Looking at this image, it seems that the wall open has been enlarged and the walls have been expanded.
So, which GDL can I look at and understand?
This is a question because there are so many calls to gdl that it is difficult to understand.
^^
Have a nice day

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Lingwisyer — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 04:09:18 GMT

My guess would be the "CavityClosure" macro.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

LeeJaeYoung — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 04:30:32 GMT

Oh, my God
This seems like too much content.
Even if you try to print it in small letters, it reaches 113 pages.
Doors and windows for beginners like me, GDL
18. Advanced door/window functions | GRAPHISOFT GDL Center

Is it only here?

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Lingwisyer — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 07:43:02 GMT

As a beginner, I suggest you do not bother trying to play around with the default door and window macros. They are also not the easiest things to integrate into your own objects...

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

LeeJaeYoung — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:00:47 GMT

I want to create a course that even beginners can access in Archicad.
Thank you very much for your interest.
Have a happy day ^^

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Peter Baksa — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:38:20 GMT

This can't be easily achieved by beginners.

Archicad Library draws the wall contours of the hole itself, because it is needed anyways for many reveal types: https://gdl.graphisoft.com/tips-and-tricks/reveal-options-automatic-or-scripted

We use drawindex before the wallline2s. The complexity arises with composite and profiled walls, handling skins is not easy.

If you are interested in research, look at

Basic Library/Documentation/Window-Macros/WallholeCut.html

in Library Developer Toolkit.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Lee Hankins — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 09:15:02 GMT

Is there not a simple way that the graphic display in terms of layering on screen could always make the walls appear above the door frame lines? I would imagine in almost 100% of cases the user would want the more prominent element to be the wall itself whether that be a simple wall or composite wall. The end line of the wall would generally be a thicker pen and want to be displayed infant of the thinner door frame pen and also the same for the cavity closer.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 15:47:13 GMT

Another reason why we really need line thickness to be offset to one side of the placement axis of the line (i.e. a reference line like we have for walls).

Rather than centered as it is now.

That way we could have the wall lines on the inside of the wall extent and the frame lines on the inside of the frame, and they wouldn't overlap.

Just like those components don't overlap in real life.

Barry.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

LeeJaeYoung — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 05:40:58 GMT

I am trying to create a door like the image above.
How to make insulation seems to be the most important question.
Should I start with a new question?
Or can I proceed here?

I am trying to study this GDL.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

Barry Kelly — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 05:43:51 GMT

It is an un-related problem, so best to start a new post.

But before you do, you may want to look at the reveal options and wall closure options of the door object.

Barry.

Re: I want the frame to be below wallline2. What should I do?

LeeJaeYoung — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 05:50:01 GMT

This image is made with archicad primitives.
There are some parts that need to be modified very slightly, so I'm going to make it with GDL.
Hope you understand.^^