topic Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules in Libraries & objects

Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 08:49:41 GMT

I am working on a multi-unit housing building and we are using hotlinked modules for the individual apartments. I have followed the steps in this article in order to give the objects within the module unique ID numbers based on their room number.

http://archicadsa.org/2013/06/11/archicad-17-new-feature-management-of-hotlinked-modules/

I am running into a problem with the doors within the module however. I have numbered the instance of the hotlink module "213". Within the module, I have named the door "A" so that the door will be named "213A" in the master file. This works correctly as when I look at the properties within the master file, the ID of the door is "213A". However, the door marker which is set to show the Door ID only displays "A" (see image). It is soooo close to working, but not quite there. Any idea how to fix this? Thanks!

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

matjashka — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:15:54 GMT

In Marker Settings, specify Marker Content to show Room & Door ID.
They will be displayed in two lines, first one being the Zone number and second being the door ID.

If you want to take this further:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=48107

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:43:21 GMT

I suppose my question though is:

If the Door's ID is already C213A, why does that not show in the marker?

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

matjashka — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 22:14:53 GMT

When handling the automatic numbering in modules/hotlinks, it is normal for the door in the module to only display the ID (A), and not the room number (123A), because there is no zone to pull the number from -- that zone is located in your master file.

If you go to the master file and type a manual ID in the property dialog box, the marker will not change because the door is in your module and therefore is locked, but when you close the dialog box it should display both zone and ID on the plan.

If your door stubbornly refuses to pull the zone/room ID when you look at the master file floor plan, it probably means you need to fix the zone on at least one side of the door.

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 22:49:40 GMT

Ok, I think I understand. My last question on the matter is this:
I have the tag displaying the room # from the zone now, but if the layer with the zone is turned off, the marker goes blank. Does this layer have to be on in order for the marker to properly display?

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

matjashka — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 22:55:28 GMT

This is the behavior you will experience when you turn the zone layer off.

In order to maintain marker appearance with room names removed, use Model View Options and Hide Zone Stamp in Override Fill Display section.

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Anonymous — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:00:34 GMT

DSquad96 wrote:
I suppose my question though is:

If the Door's ID is already C213A, why does that not show in the marker?

Hi, I understand you perfectly - DSquad96 - the door should show the master id of the hotlink in it's marker...it has nothing to do with the zone... look at http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=235152#235152.....
I have the same issue....I understand that it will work in AC19.?......but I am not a GDL guru....so I'd like a step by step manual how to fix the marker if you are not a GDL guru....anyone?
Thanks!

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

matjashka — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 13:39:27 GMT

Hi Claudia,
My office is still using v16 and reciprocal pulling of Master IDs back into the module is not available to us.
This does not prevent me from previewing the combined Zone+Door IDs because I have one typical Master floor (and its zones) manually hotlinked back to the module with the option "Skip nested modules" turned on. Maybe this is too old school, but my project is specifically organized to make this possible.

(pardon my curiosity, but if a module is inserted on multiple floors - for example in zones 121, 221, 321, 421, etc. -, how do you determine which ID from the master file is the correct one to be shown in the module...? this is an arbitrary decision)

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:58:03 GMT

matjashka wrote:
(pardon my curiosity, but if a module is inserted on multiple floors - for example in zones 121, 221, 321, 421, etc. -, how do you determine which ID from the master file is the correct one to be shown in the module...? this is an arbitrary decision)

The Master ID is a field that can be set separately for each placed instance of each Hotlinked Module. So the Full ID of elements in each instance of a Hotlink can be different.

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

matjashka — Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:24:24 GMT

Thanks Laszlo. My apologies. I now understand what is the problem that the OP is experiencing. People want to create combined door IDs from nesting modules instead of relying on zones.

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Matt Balaam — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 00:02:43 GMT

DSquad96 wrote:
I am running into a problem with the doors within the module however. I have numbered the instance of the hotlink module "213". Within the module, I have named the door "A" so that the door will be named "213A" in the master file. This works correctly as when I look at the properties within the master file, the ID of the door is "213A". However, the door marker which is set to show the Door ID only displays "A" (see image). It is soooo close to working, but not quite there. Any idea how to fix this? Thanks!

ClaudiaDeGoede wrote:
I have the same issue....I understand that it will work in AC19.?......but I am not a GDL guru....so I'd like a step by step manual how to fix the marker if you are not a GDL guru....anyone?
Thanks!

This issue happens because Graphisoft somewhat "rushed" the Master ID into ArchiCAD and didn't have time to make it available to GDL objects. Because zone markers are GDL objects they are not able to access the Master ID of the elements hence only the "A" showing up in the zone stamp in the original example.

At this stage there is no way around this (using GDL to access the Master ID) until the Master ID is made accessible to GDL in a future version of ArchiCAD.

As you say DSquad96, soooo close to working but not quite there!

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 00:11:29 GMT

It is my understanding that this should work with the AC18 4020 update:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=235152&highlight=#235152

Based on that post you may be able to modify your GDL code (if you are comfortable with it) and make it work in AC18.

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Matt Balaam — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 00:15:36 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
It is my understanding that this should work with the AC18 4020 update:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=235152&highlight=#235152

Wow that one slipped in quietly! Thanks for the heads-up, that will come in very handy!

Makes my previous post completely obsolete

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 00:19:43 GMT

Yes, but I think you will still have to modify those GDL objects.

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Matt Balaam — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 00:22:48 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
Yes, but I think you will still have to modify those GDL objects.

We only use custom zone stamps anyway so that will be fine.

Before I go and test it do you know if it works in property scripts as that is where I really want it to be available?

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 00:26:39 GMT

Well, that is a good question but in theory I see no reason why it shouldn't. These REQEUST commands are usually not something that work only in certain scripts (like e.g. the UI commands in the User Interface Script).

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:43:33 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
It is my understanding that this should work with the AC18 4020 update:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=235152&highlight=#235152

Based on that post you may be able to modify your GDL code (if you are comfortable with it) and make it work in AC18.

Hi laszlonagy, ok but what to do if I am not a GDL guru??? Can someone edit the eg zone stamp 2 18 and the door 18 and make it available to download eg on bim components?....(GDL does not make much sence to me )

Re: Door Markers With Hotlinked Modules

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:33:49 GMT

I have not scripted GDL for a long time myself.
So yes, if someone has the time and inclination, they can do it.

From the fact that this fix came with AC18 build 4020, I assume that default library objects will work to take advantage of this in the next release of ArchiCAD.

But you can make a wish if you would like Graphisoft to include modified objects that take advantage of this in an AC18 library hotfix, for example.