topic Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working in Libraries & objects

ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Anonymous — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 23:16:38 GMT

For whatever reason, I cannot get rotate geometry to work consistently in AC23. It works with some items, but not others. See video of it working for an appliance but not a toilet. Can't get it to work for a Mop Sink either.

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

David Maudlin — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:30:26 GMT

Jkidd:

What I am seeing is that the MEP parts (which includes this type of Equipment) are not using the Rotated placement method. The MEP parts are easier to identify if the MEP Tools are loaded in the Toolbar. This look like a bug, unless I am missing some other setting.

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David

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Minh Nguyen — Sun, 26 Apr 2020 20:59:56 GMT

Hi,

Thank you for your question and I am sorry about the issue!

Unfortunately, I cannot replicate it on AC23 INT version, both on 3003 and 4006 build. As can be seen in the GIF below, placing the object allows me to rotate it freely.

I'm wondering if this issue happens on a brand new file? If not, does it happen on a specific file? Which localized version are you using?

Thank you very much! Looking forward to hearing from you!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Barry Kelly — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 00:45:46 GMT

I think like David that is has something to do with MEP objects.

I don't have the MEP addon or library loaded and I am not seeing any problems rotating any of the plumbing objects.

Jkidd, do you have MEP loaded?

Barry.

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

David Maudlin — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:25:41 GMT

Minh:

After looking into this a bit further, I discovered that the bug only occurs when running ArchiCAD in demo mode. When I have the license via USB key, the Rotated placement option works for the MEP type objects.

David

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Minh Nguyen — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:38:38 GMT

Hi David,

I just tested your theory on a freshly installed AC23 on macOS 10.14.6. Unfortunately in DEMO mode, the objects are all rotatable.

I watched your video posted above once again, and I notice that ARCHICAD is running with Trial license. Could you confirm with me if the issue only happens with Demo mode or with Trial license? Thank you very much!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

David Maudlin — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:59:14 GMT

Hello Minh:

I think I have narrowed down the issue. It involves the MEP license.
1. Start AC23, select New, select AC23 template file.
2. Open License Information..., it shows Available Products > ARCHICAD > Local (CodeMeter); MEP Modeler > Disabled.
3. Select Object Tool, WC 23 is the default object, choose Geometry Method: Rotated, place object, rotation on placement works.
4. Select Equipment Tool from the MEP tools, default is Hood Built-In 23, choose Geometry Method: Rotated, place object, rotation on placement does not work. (The other Geometry options also do not work.)
5. Open License Information..., it shows Available Products > ARCHICAD > Local (CodeMeter); MEP Modeler > Local (CodeMeter).

So when the MEP License gets activated, the Rotated geometry method stops working for MEP connected elements (via the Subtype used for the GDL object). I tested this by opening the WC 23, changing its Subtype from Flow Equipment to Model Element, saving it as a new library part and placing it. The object with the altered Subtype works correctly. I tested in AC22, same behavior.

So this looks like it is the license that causes the problem. If the original poster is using a trial license, maybe the same thing is going on. Users without a MEP License may never see this behavior.

Best,

David

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Minh Nguyen — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:14:54 GMT

Hi David,

While waiting for the MEP license (unfortunately, I don't have one at home!), I found out that I don't need it to replicate this issue! Running MEP Modeller with ARCHICAD in DEMO mode can also stop the WC from rotating!

I will forward this to the developer for further investigation. Thank you for sharing the issue! As soon as we reach a conclusion I will let you know!

Have a nice weekend!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Minh Nguyen — Wed, 06 May 2020 20:16:23 GMT

Hi All,

Our developers have concluded that this is a bug with the MEP Modeler add-on. It's definitely a well-hidden one, as no one has ever spotted this issue yet! Big thanks to jkidd and David for sharing it and show us how to replicate the issue! I have entered the bug into our system. Hopefully, it will be fixed soon!

Once again, thank you very much for your help! Have a nice day, and stay safe!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Andy Melaragno — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 15:30:43 GMT

I am having this same problem in AC 24. I cannot use the "rotated geometry" method to insert any object that has to do with plumbing like a sink base or toilet / water closet. It works on all other objects, just not plumbing objects. Is there a fix for this?

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Minh Nguyen — Tue, 02 Feb 2021 07:38:19 GMT

Andy wrote:
I am having this same problem in AC 24. I cannot use the "rotated geometry" method to insert any object that has to do with plumbing like a sink base or toilet / water closet. It works on all other objects, just not plumbing objects. Is there a fix for this?

Hi Andy,

Thank you very much for your question!
In Archicad 24, there is an option to convert newly placed objects to Equipment (MEP parts). If this function is turned on, even if you place a plumbing object with Object tool, it will be converted to MEP object after placing.

I asked the developer about what could cause the case, and here is the explanation:

- In Archicad 24 Update 2, there is a bug that turns on the above function automatically. It will be fixed in Update 3. Until then, you can turn if off manually by going to Options > Project Preferences > MEP Preferences, and turn off this function in the open dialog.

- MEP objects cannot be placed with "Geometry method: Rotated". We will try to improve this behavior in the future.

I hope this explains the situation. Thank you very much for your understanding, and I am very sorry for the inconvenience! If you have any further questions, feel free to ask me again!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Andy Melaragno — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:14:51 GMT

Thanks Minh but I don't see "MEP Preferences" when I go to "Options > Project Preferences > MEP Preferences"

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Barry Kelly — Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:16:02 GMT

Andy wrote:
Thanks Minh but I don't see "MEP Preferences" when I go to "Options > Project Preferences > MEP Preferences"

I see you don't have options in the menu for structural analytical model either.
Looks like you are using a custom Work Environment or one from an older version of Archicad.

You either need to add the new commands to your WE or use the new WEs that come with 24.

Barry.

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

David Maudlin — Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:20:25 GMT

Andy:

To add to Barry's advise: you can use the Architectural Profile 24 for your Work Environment.

David

Re: ArchiCad Rotate Geometry not working

Andy Melaragno — Wed, 17 Feb 2021 14:54:25 GMT

Thanks Barry and David. I didn't realize that new commands don't transfer to old work environments but that totally makes sense now that I think about it. I will have to go through and update my old work environments. Thanks for pointing that out!
-Andy