topic Re: Missing Object from old library in Libraries & objects

Missing Object from old library

sarahric — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 23:47:18 GMT

With upgrading every year to a new ArchiCAD version, I have old migration libraries in my template which I am trying to get rid of.

In several projects where I remove the old library, I end up with missing objects. I go through all the layouts, stories, layers and renovation status' but still am left with at least 1 missing object.

How else can I search and find this object?

Re: Missing Object from old library

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:55:25 GMT

Could you attach what the Library Loading Report shows so we can see what kind of element is missing: Object, Texture file etc.?

Re: Missing Object from old library

sarahric — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 06:25:25 GMT

It's not the object that is the problem (a label in most instances). It's the search function to try and find it.
I am just frustrated trying to look through everything to find an unseen object.
Find & select only works for the view you are in.

Re: Missing Object from old library

sarahric — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 06:32:16 GMT

Here is an example of a library with missing object

Re: Missing Object from old library

Barry Kelly — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:23:37 GMT

In this case turn all layers on and look at each storey in plan.
You won't find the missing object if the layer is turned off.
The missing objects will show up as red dots in your plan.

You could also use Find & Select searching for objects named "Bathtub 16".
Missing 3D objects will only be selectable in plan so you only have to go to each storey to find them.

As you correctly stated F & S only works in the view you are in.
So in the case of a label or 2D object you would have to look in each view (section, elevation, details, etc.) as well.

F & S does work for most things in 3D as well but not for missing objects as they are simply not present in the 3D view.
The place holders for 3D objects are only selectable in plan but 2D objects are only selectable in the view they were placed in - so you have to go hunting for those.

Barry.

Re: Missing Object from old library

sarahric — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 23:32:54 GMT

Thanks Barry, but I already do this. Turn all layers on, turn all renovation status on and I still can't find some elements. Hence going through all views is tedious.

Re: Missing Object from old library

Barry Kelly — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 02:00:15 GMT

It can be tedious and a little tricky at times.
It all depends on what you are looking for.

The bath object you mentioned before should be pretty straight forward as I would assume it is a 3D object so it should show as missing (red dot) in your floor plan on one of your stories.

Other 2D objects like notes or 2D details could be in any of your views so yes you will have to go hunting.

Missing textures or fills won't appear at all - although you may notice where they are missing from.
With these you will have to start looking through your attributes - composites, building materials (surfaces), complex profiles - to determine where they are missing.

Barry.

Re: Missing Object from old library

sarahric — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 02:56:43 GMT

It is tedious.
Perhaps I should write a request?
As it happens, the bath 3d object was actually in a detail view, not in the plan view at all. So even 3D objects can be hard to find.
Thanks Barry

Re: Missing Object from old library

Barry Kelly — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 03:19:09 GMT

sarahric wrote:
As it happens, the bath 3d object was actually in a detail view, not in the plan view at all. So even 3D objects can be hard to find.

This is true - this can be done.
Not quite sure why you would want to as the information added to a detail does not show in the plan or 3D model.
I personally don't use details a lot (in fact hardly ever) so I was assuming (incorrectly) that you wouldn't have placed a 3D object in there - but you may have a perfectly valid reason to do so.

So I guess the correct information is to check everywhere as you have discovered.

Barry.

Re: Missing Object from old library

Anonymous — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:26:38 GMT

Hi,
i was thinking, why not use SQL to find it?
Something like executing a query:
select story_id, layer_id from objects where library_part_name='Bath tube 16'

It will not fail if the object is in a hidden layer, the query is not complete and can be smarter but it can help.

Re: Missing Object from old library

sarahric — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 23:31:14 GMT

Sorry, what is SQL?

Re: Missing Object from old library

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:50:10 GMT

SQL=Structured Query Language
ArchiCAD projects are a special type of database and you can query it from inside archicad activating the SQL menu.
It's not the most easy tool to work with but i found it usefull in find things when search and select has failed.

Re: Missing Object from old library

sarahric — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:00:00 GMT

Thanks.
I could see how this would work.

Re: Missing Object from old library

davidstonearchicad21 — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 03:18:08 GMT

Has the Query capability been removed from Archicad21 ?

Can't find it in the 'All commands alphabetical'

Re: Missing Object from old library

Barry Kelly — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 03:29:47 GMT

davidstonearchicad21 wrote:
Has the Query capability been removed from Archicad21 ?

Can't find it in the 'All commands alphabetical'

The last version to actually support SQL was version 18.
The command was removed completely in version 21.

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=58300

Barry.