topic Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17 in Libraries & objects

Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 08:11:45 GMT

Am trying to set the parameters of this door.

the door is a fleetwood 1000/3000 series bronze anodized frame at 4.5"
depth. The wall that it resides in is a 2 x 6 stud wall = 5.5"

So, the first thing I'm noticing in plan is the frame is not reading properly.
It shows the door frame the same thickness as the stud wall. After going through the dialog box many times have had no success at finding the
setting to fix this. There used to be a "frame same thickness as wall button" or setting...Can't find it. Must be able to have the frame thickness read correctly on the plan!!

Next up is once the frame is shown properly (1" less than the stud wall)
the setting for the reveal to wall face
(outside frame relation to outside face of studs)
is not available. I'v spent like 2 hours on this and can't fix.

The other thing is that the door is reading okay in 3d but the 2d rep
is off. the styles should only be 1 3/4"

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:48:43 GMT

Seems really crazy to have to go through this nightmare of parameters
that don't seem to work.

There is a sliding glass window object in 17 that tricks you into thinking it can be used as an X.O.X. sliding glass window... very common window type by the way. No such luck - there is absolutely no way you can get that window to read as an X.O.X. window.

Sorry about the little rant. It's the best software in the world, but I have work to do....🙂

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:07:00 GMT

This is the old lib part from object lib 70 that I have been using.
You can see I am able to set the reveal at 2", this part also has a problem in that you cant have the frame read as 4.5" thick the width setting is available, but the thickness is not....Ugh

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Steve Jepson — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 22:07:13 GMT

like this ? Very easy.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 22:53:22 GMT

Is this it? I don't see any issues with AC's abilities here... You can even hide the frame entirely if you wish.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 22:54:04 GMT

Yes, those are the details.
Pay particular attention to the styles width and thickness where they interlock. I have been able to get the door reveal from face of studs and
the frame thickness to read correctly, but not the actual leaf frames.
The jpg below is from a different job with different conditions, but you can see how narrow the leaf frames are. Now look at Marks jpg above.
I have spent hours and have not been able to get the actual panel leaf frames to read correctly. There are settings but they don't translate to the actual plan view. It's crazy and could fit the definition of insanity, trying over and over expecting a different result.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:36:30 GMT

Okay, you might have it. Can you make the center panel 5'-6"
wide and the two operable panels 2'-6" ?

Steve wrote:
like this ? Very easy.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:49:53 GMT

Mark,

It's the stiles that don't seem to be showing correctly!!
I have set them to be 2 1/8" but it shows like 4 or 5 inches wide on the floor plan.
Leaf panel is 1.25" thick with 1" insulated glazing.
Door frame is 4.5" thick set 1.5" back from exterior face of 2 x 6 studs.

I'm going to look at the D3 sliding window again

MarkMoscrip wrote:
Is this it? I don't see any issues with AC's abilities here... You can even hide the frame entirely if you wish.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 00:37:46 GMT

Very easy to make a window that nobody is going to use.
If you know anything about the XOX window the fixed center panel is
always better to have larger than the combined width of the operable side panels, this way you can open both of the operable windows at the same time! Get it!
Otherwise, you might as well use a simple XO sliding glass window.
Are you following me? Looks better too. IMHO:-)
Can you show me a XOX sliding glass window with the W sliding3 17 library part that has a 5'-0" wide fixed center panel and 2'-0" wide operable side panels.

Steve wrote:
like this ? Very easy.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Steve Jepson — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:05:51 GMT

I can do it. But it takes a little editing of the gdl script than you are probably not interested in doing. Have you tried using the library search engine to find a window you can configure by your self?

Do a search from the Window Selections Settings window for Triple Window and see if that can be configured you need it.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:48:53 GMT

Steve,

VERY GOOD!

Could you do a screen shot of the settings in the gdl script?
I would very much like to know how you did it.
Maybe after I do that I can save as a favorite!

It's to bad that we have to go there to accomplish this!

Steve wrote:
I can do it. But it takes a little editing of the gdl script than you are probably not interested in doing. Have you tried using the library search engine to find a window you can configure by your self?

Do a search from the Window Selections Settings window for Triple Window and see if that can be configured you need it.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:53:28 GMT

I could probably get my sliding glass door panel stiles to read right in plan in the gdl script window too, but you are right, am a bit apprehensive about getting in there and changing things!!

Steve wrote:
I can do it. But it takes a little editing of the gdl script than you are probably not interested in doing. Have you tried using the library search engine to find a window you can configure by your self?

Do a search from the Window Selections Settings window for Triple Window and see if that can be configured you need it.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Steve Jepson — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 02:04:47 GMT

Jonathan wrote:

...It's to bad that we have to go there to accomplish this!

Yes it is. And for what seems like the most ordinary things.

Ever try to configure a common vinyl window with a nailing fin that sets on the outside of the wall sheathing with the frame projecting an inch in front of that so there is something to but the siding up against?

This is arguably the most common window on the planet and still we have no library part for such a simple window. We have to make our own. Who has time for that ?

You can try some of these Marvin window too. Anderson, Pella, and others.

http://www.marvin.com/windows/magnum-double-hung-windows/sizes-performance-and-specs/

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

genarch — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 18:43:32 GMT

Years and many versions later is there yet a typical vinyl window part we can choose? I'm still on v19 but continually frustrated at the choice (or lack thereof) for windows. 90% of projects I work on involve nail fin vinyl windows.

Also, why doesn't the stool sit flush with the bottom of the window frame? Drives me nuts.

Steve wrote:
Jonathan wrote:

...It's to bad that we have to go there to accomplish this!
Yes it is. And for what seems like the most ordinary things.

Ever try to configure a common vinyl window with a nailing fin that sets on the outside of the wall sheathing with the frame projecting an inch in front of that so there is something to but the siding up against?

This is arguably the most common window on the planet and still we have no library part for such a simple window. We have to make our own. Who has time for that ?

You can try some of these Marvin window too. Anderson, Pella, and others.

http://www.marvin.com/windows/magnum-double-hung-windows/sizes-performance-and-specs/

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

genarch — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:58:49 GMT

Agreed, anyone using the latest version of Archicad who can tell if there is YET A NAIL FIN WINDOW to choose? I'm on AC20 and, no, there isn't. It's maddening. I can get a window to look mostly correct but the bottom piece of exterior casing overlaps the window frame and I cannot change it.

Re: Trouble with D2 sliding 17

Steve Jepson — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 22:40:25 GMT

As far as I know, there is still no ArchiCAD Library window with nailing fins.
I still use a variety of work-arounds for that when its useful (seldom).
However, based on what I see in the Stair and Railing tools I would think they will add that kind of functionality to doors and windows too, sooner or later. By that I mean the ability to edit a Profile that is part of a door or window like threshold, casing, nailing fins, sills, apron, etc... In the same sort of way we do it now with parts of a Stair.
We currently have (16) Design Tools - Some of them have this sort of functionality already. I think it would be great if they all did.
If we are going to have "smart parts" lets have them ALL really Smart!