topic Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick in Libraries & objects

Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thickness

William Gray — Wed, 24 May 2023 09:47:24 GMT

I've placed a Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 and want to change the thickness of the transom to the side lights.

I've put a horizontal division height of 900mm to the top hung sidelights (which are have a sash type - Divided). The transom shown is very deep (it shows as 150mm) and I want to reduce its depth to around 50mm. There are editable hotspots but these only serve to move the horizontal division up or down. There don't seem to be any settings within the window/door parameters or settings adjustments to amend the transom thickness (there are only settings for adjusting the width of the grilles if the glazing is subdivided).

Is there a way of adjusting the transom depth?

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

David Maudlin — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 13:47:59 GMT

William:

I am trying to follow your description (illustrations would be very helpful), but I am guessing you are looking at the framing between the doors, sidelights and transom. In the US D2 2Sidelight Transom 16, there is one parameter that controls this width for both the vertical and horizontal framing (Frame Width), so having different frame widths for the various framing members may not be possible with this part.

David

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

William Gray — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:58:18 GMT

David

Thank you for the response. The international version sounds similar to the US version. I can adjust the frame widths without a problem, but there doesn't seem to be a setting available to reduce the height of the transom as shown in the attached illustration

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

David Maudlin — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:49:06 GMT

William:

The illustration is missing, try adding it again.

David

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

William Gray — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:54:07 GMT

Sorry about that! The original was just too large!

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

David Maudlin — Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:02:23 GMT

The US library D2 2Sidelight 16 is not identical to the Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 (which can be downloaded from bimcomponents.com), the later has the ability to change the sill height of the sidelights, as well as some other options. I was able to get something similar to William's screen shot by changing the Sidelight Type to Fixed Sash, then changing the Sidelight Sash Type to Divided.

William:

It looks like this middle divider is of a fixed (non-parameteric) size for the options you have selected (the US version has a similar style, which looks more logical when the sidelight matches the door height). While it would be possible to spelunk into the GDL code to create a parameter, the simpler solution to select Custom Panel from the Sash Type options and follow the instructions for creating your own custom sidelight. There is also information about creating Custom Components in the Help files.

David

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

William Gray — Thu, 07 Feb 2013 18:03:36 GMT

I'll give that a try. Many thanks for your help.

Re: Double Door

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:03:23 GMT

Hi, do you know how it's called a double door that also opens as one? And where can i find it in archicad? Mine is from lines. Thank you

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

David Maudlin — Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:39:03 GMT

drexdis:

I have never seen anything like that in the US, and don't understand how it could work, the only thing similar would be a Bifold door. You should post some links to manufacturer's web sites or provide other explanatory information.

David

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

Anonymous — Wed, 25 Dec 2013 15:52:46 GMT

David wrote:
drexdis:

I have never seen anything like that in the US, and don't understand how it could work, the only thing similar would be a Bifold door. You should post some links to manufacturer's web sites or provide other explanatory information.

David

This door is usually used for both people and cars/goods ( something like a garage ). This picture i found it shows a little door, and when in need all can be opened. I'm not sure if it is the best example...

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

David Maudlin — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:18:26 GMT

drexdis:

A door like that is not in the US Library, others will have to post whether it exists in other countries' libraries. If just the 2D symbol is needed (not the 3D Model), and it will be placed multiple times, then you might want to create a Patch, in the Help files see: Virtual Building > Parametric Objects > Create Patch Object. If you also need a 3D Door, then you can create it yourself from ArchiCAD's elements, in the Help files see: Virtual Building > Parametric Objects > Graphic Creation of Custom Library Parts and Components > Saving Custom-Shape Doors or Windows.

You should add a Signature to your Profile (click the Profile button near the top of this page) with your ArchiCAD version and operating system (see mine for an example) for more accurate help in this forum.

David

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

Anonymous — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 23:29:02 GMT

I will do that. Thank you for the help.

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thickness

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Oct 2021 22:51:45 GMT

Me again

Is there a way to have panic bar on both leafs of a double door? I tried but it only gets on one of them. I want both to be opened by pushing the panic bar.

And still regarding the panic bar, can it be seen on the floor plan? i atach an image in which the disabled have this door and it can be seen.

Thank you

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

David Maudlin — Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:27:22 GMT

drexdis:

Thanks for adding the signature.

Whether you can change the hardware configuration or plan display depends on the specific door you are using: these could be options if they were scripted into the library part. For example, in the US Library there is D2 Commercial Door 17 where under the Door Panel parameters you can pick the type and location of hardware for each panel, but there is no option for showing the panel hardware on plan (2D Symbol). If you post the name of the door you are using (it can be selected and copied from the library part's Settings > Previewing and Positioning panel), someone familiar with the part may be able to help.

David

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thickness

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Oct 2021 22:44:55 GMT

An image speaks more than many words.

That is the door that i was talking about. On the right there is the 2d view of that door without the panic bar. I managed to set it to projected and then i saw the panic bar in 2d view, but the door is now closed.

Any ideas are appreciated.

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:11:14 GMT

Definitely a buggy (or incomplete) door object in the INT library. I downloaded the door you show and see the issue.

The US library's D2 Metal 17 works the way you want - can select right or left inside or outside for placement of whatever handle you want. But, it doesn't seem to be available for download. If I enter D2 Metal 17 in the Door Settings search box, I get your door and lots of other ones as available for download, but not the US 17 doors. I think this could be because the US door library requires so many US macros. Posting just the object for you wouldn't help, as it requires so many other things inside the US library. Not sure what to suggest...short of faking it by modeling the other panic bar as a separate object (moprh).

PS As David said, the US part will not show the projected handles in plan in symbolic view (door open according to 2D angle setting) - only in projected view (door open according to 3D angle setting).

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

Marton Kiss — Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:53:48 GMT

Thanks guys for bringing up this topic. It is indeed not possible to assign panic bar to both panels with the INT library. This has been reported to our library team. Also for both panels independent settings would be the best.

Marton

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Jan 2014 15:32:00 GMT

I have been using many different doors and have always found the "TYPE" Field under parameters listed how ever for the door D1 Sliding Folding Multipanel and D2 Sliding Folding Multipanel, do not have the field.
I use this field for my scheduling and I was wondering if there is something I am missing from those two doors? Any help would or advice would be very helpful. Thanks

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Jan 2014 15:32:38 GMT

Here is the view from another door

Re: Double Door with 2 Sidelights 16 - AmendingTransom Thick

David Maudlin — Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:45:51 GMT

vgodzb:

The reason is that the "Type" parameter is not one of the standard parameters for that door subtype (shown in blue), but was added (shown in black). You can add it to the other doors by opening the library part, going to the main library part window, setting it to Parameters (as per the attached screen shot), adding the new parameter, then saving the library part, either under the original name, or as a new part. This involves a bit of GDL knowledge and Library management (if saved as its original name in the original ArchiCAD Library, then it will get replaced if the library is updated).

You should add a Signature to your Profile (click the Profile button near the top of this page) with your ArchiCAD version and operating system (see mine for an example) for more accurate help in this forum.

David