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Ceiling Editor object for design

Bricklyne Clarence — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:35:32 GMT

Message from the Moderator:
We have created this new thread for the discussion of the Ceiling Editor Object.
There have been some questions regarding it as can be seen from the following few posts.
From post 5 of this thread you can find the detailed introduction and explanation of how the object works:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=208515&highlight=#208515

Please use this thread for the discussion of this Object.
Thanks

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Bricklyne's original post:

Cross-posted these questions/suggestions for the new object over at LinkedIn, just in case anyone hasn't seen them.

Having not had a chance to try it yet, the obvious question (for me, at least) is how this object behaves in terms of 2D representation in plan and more pointedly RCP's (Reflected ceiling plans.) and if it does so, to what degree of control and manipulation can a user control the plan representation (LineWeights, Fills, symbolic representation of lights, vents, sprinklers etc) ad information, in conjunction with other ceiling plan information (like electrical light wiring layouts, possibly MEP info, and ceiling finish and material information).
And if not, would it mean having to re-reproduce all this information in 2D for the aforementioned reflected ceiling and lighting/electrical/finish plans?

It would be nice to have some level of consistency and correlation, if not parametric associativity, between what is displayed in the 3D and 2D windows without having to duplicate everything everytime and going back and forth during every change in either of the windows.

The other question would be whether there would be any possibility of having the objective version backward compatible, as in readable in ArchiCAD's pre-version 16 formats (specifically versions 14 and 15).

Otherwise, great object and nice start to the Wish upon an Object initiative so far.

Re: Wish upon an Object from BIMcomponents.com

JaredBanks — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:53:06 GMT

I wrote a quick post for BIM Engine about this latest object and there are some screen shots. I intentionally showed a bunch of various options. http://blog.graphisoftus.com/events/contests/bimcomponents-com-manubim

My initial impression is that the 2D is quite versatile and customizable. Of course the issue with any object is if it's missing a symbol you need or it doesn't conform to your existing template, then there are decisions to be made about which needs to change.

If there is a symbol that you need that is lacking, my understanding is that manuBIM is very accommodating and open to making future revisions to the object.

Re: Wish upon an Object from BIMcomponents.com

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:10:25 GMT

Strange artifact in test of ceiling object.
I had stretched out the ceiling grid and then put it back to rectangle in 2d, but when I went to 3d I have this unwanted extension to the lower right hand corner which did not retract as 2d shows it had.
Other areas I had stretched out did return to rectangle shape.
BTW it does not show up in 2d and in 3d as you can see, there is no hot spot to drag it back in.
Otherwise object seems to be working correctly AFAICT.

Re: Wish upon an Object from BIMcomponents.com

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:12:28 GMT

And 2d view.

Ceiling Editor object for design

Anonymous — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 09:48:44 GMT

The Ceiling Editor for design is the next object of the "Wish upon an object" project from Graphisoft’s BIMcomponents.com. The object was developed by manuBIM in collaboration with CAD Stúdió (http://www.cadstudio.hu)

The 3D ceiling object is available from BIMComponents portal. One is optimized for metric and the other is for imperial units
INT (metric default):
https://bimcomponents.com/GSM/Details/12977

US (imperial default):
https://bimcomponents.com/GSM/Details/12978
Drop a comment if you have thoughts or wishes about how to improve the functionality of this object.

How to Use - Step 1. - Ceiling boundary definition with

Anonymous — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 09:53:09 GMT

How to Use - Step 1. - Ceiling boundary definition with Ceiling Editor object

1.) Determine the perimeter of the ceiling (light blue area)
2.) Determine the full bounding area (light red area)
3.) Place the object and strech it to the full boundary area (with the help of editable hotspots on corners)
4.) Select the object to go in the Editing Tools dialog and set the Number of editable nodes according to the shape requires approximately. Edit an intermediate node two times sequentially and it will able to handle irregular shaped boundaries.
5.) Select the object to go in the Editing Tools dialog and turn on the Set grid origin and direction command. Set the correct origin and direction with the help of the editing arrow.

How to Use - Step 2. - Add, change, set the orientation

Anonymous — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 09:55:51 GMT

How to Use - Step 2. - Add, change, set the orientation or clear accessories

These functions available by using the Selection Grid in the Accessories (group) dialog. We advice to use these functions after the exact ceiling boundary definition.
1.) Turn the Selection Grid on in the Accessories (group) dialog. In this case the editable rectangle will appear on the plan (in the middle of the origo), but there aren’t selected panel(s).
2.) Edit the Selection Grid by the editable hotspots on the plan. The darker fields will show the selected panels.
3.) Go to the Accessories (group) dialog and it can be use the Add/Change, Orientation Change and Clear functions.

How to Use - Step 3. - Closing the boundary edges

Anonymous — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 09:57:28 GMT

How to Use - Step 3. - Closing the boundary edges

1.) Select the object to go in the Edges and Borders dialog and turn the Closed Border on.
2.) Go to the 3D window and editable hotspots will appear in the middle of all edges. With the help of the hotspots it can set the closed borders.

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:54:20 GMT

Graphisoft is working on a series of clips that will show the features of this Object. The clips will be done soon so there will be an announcement in this thread when they are ready.

Ceiling Editor v2 object - tutorial clip

Levente Filetoth — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:48:33 GMT

Hi!
Happy new year for everyone!

Please have a look at the new tutorial video clip about the Ceiling Editor v2 object created by ManuBIM!

This clip presents and explains the following features and functionalities:
- Ceiling geometry
- Ceiling properties
- Ceiling grid & position
- Ceiling - wall junction
- Creating ceiling accessories
- Editing ceiling accessories & panels

Please let us know what you think about it (both + and - reviews are welcome)!

Thanks and best wishes,
levente

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Anonymous — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:27:47 GMT

... and the Ceiling Editor v2 object available on BIMComponents portal.
One is optimized for metric and the other is for imperial units
INT (metric default):
https://bimcomponents.com/GSM/Details/14709

US (imperial default):
https://bimcomponents.com/GSM/Details/14710

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Anonymous — Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:26:20 GMT

Is this object available for archicad 15?

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Laszlo Nagy — Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:19:01 GMT

As far as I know it is only available for ArchiCAD 16 since it incorporates the BIMComponents.com download functionality which was introduced only in ArchiCAD 16.
So in an earler version you would not be able to download it directly from the portal by dropping it into ArchiCAD.

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Anonymous — Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:40:09 GMT

You are right László. It isn't older version of the Ceiling Editor object.

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Achille Pavlidis — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:28:47 GMT

Hi, I was trying the new Ceiling Editor and Im facing some problems. I have created 3 rooms with zones and using the Interior Wizard I placed the ceiling. I floor plan everything is OK. But when I switch to the 3D window I get about 100 error messages as follows:

The resulting ceiling looks like this: the panels at the edges are missing...

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Anonymous — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:44:28 GMT

Hi Achille Pavlidis,

could you send us this plan for identify the error?

the e-mail: support [at] manubim [dot] com

regards,

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Anonymous — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:09:53 GMT

Thank you to Achille Pavlidis for the feedback.
We have corrected the error and ulpoded the updated version (v2.01) to the BIMcomponents.com

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Jere — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:35:38 GMT

Hi Endre,

I'm having some problems with the ceiling editor. I can not edit the nodes on the plan. Also, the "Number of editable node(s) per edges" option does not seem to work.

It doesn't matter if the "Set grid origin and direction" option is checked.

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Jere — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:40:24 GMT

Notice on the pet palette that the "move node" option is not available. I've tried having the arrow tool active and the object tool active. I've tried double-clicking on the nodes as per the YouTube video. No luck so far.

Otherwise, I've enjoyed the object.

Two requests:
1. Add the ability to incorporate custom panels
2. Add the ability to include 1x4 light fixtures into a 2x4 grid or 2x4 light fixtures into a 2x2 grid.

Re: Ceiling Editor object for design

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:56:00 GMT

Any of the below two cases happening to you?:

After dragging one of the intermediate nodes on the sides of the Ceiling Editor object, the Number of editable nodes per edge field will become disabled for the edited Ceiling object, indicating that you cannot make changes to the number of available nodes from this point.

After the Ceiling is placed using the Interior Wizard, the Number of editable nodes per edge field will become disabled since this fields does not apply in case of Ceiling objects placed using the Interior Wizard.

About the Move Node command:
Ceiling Objects placed with the Interior Wizard do not have the Move Node command available in the Pet Palette since their geometry is bound to the geometry of the Zone. You change the Zone's Geometry and then update the Ceiling Object's geometry using the Design\Design Extras\Interior Wizard\Update Room Accessories menu command.