topic Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC in Libraries & objects

Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC16

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:14:44 GMT

I noticed what to me is an important difference between AC15 and AC16 in saving objects as GDL. AC15 allowed 3D model to be saved with editable or non-editable options. However AC16 allows selection to be saved as an editable GDL object and does not allow for non-editable option. This results of course with all the objects being scripted and all and naturally increases their sizes a lot, thus slowing the program in case many such objects are used in SEO's. Is there a way to save objects as non-editable ones in AC16?

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

David Maudlin — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:46:32 GMT

ahmet tukel:

According to the Help files, there should be an option when saving the library part [Virtual Building > Parametric Objects > Graphic Creation of Custom Library Parts and Components > Saving 3D Elements as Library Parts], but when I tried this the Options... button was greyed out. What I discovered is that the Object... command saves an Editable GDL Script, while Saving As... from the 3D Window and choosing Format: ArchiCAD Object File saves as Binary.

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David

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 16:55:36 GMT

Thanks David,
The bothersome thing is that whichever method you save it with, the saved object has a 3D script which slows the system. As an example, a small building that I saved in 3D in AC15 is less than 1MB, whereas the same object turns out to be 48.5MB when saved in AC16 using the methods you suggest and that I had tried before.
I am saving the buildings as 3D objects when I need to use several of them placed over a sloping lot with each building having a different level. That method seems to work fast when the created objects are non-editable. Otherwise it just takes ages to view and move around a 3D model.
By the way, thanks for the suggestion related to my signature.

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Frank Beister — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:41:45 GMT

Have you tried to save the generated object a second time? There is switch to binary in saving dialog.

have you tried hotlinks to spread copies of you building around the area?

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Katalin Takacs — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:13:38 GMT

The option to save binary objects has been disabled in ArchiCAD 16 by design, because the textures of the binary objects caused huge file size in several cases. In ArchiCAD 16 you can save objects in GDL script by default.
But you can still activate the Options button using this registry key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/Graphisoft/ArchiCAD-64/ArchiCAD-64 16.0.0 INT R1 » LibPartEnableSaveBinary

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:16:05 GMT

Thanks Katalin,
I am using a mac. After installing pref setter and using terminal to see all the library parts, I reached an 'open domain quickly' window and that's where I stay. Can't seem to reach the registry editor.
The only reason I actually need the uneditable option is not only because it is small in size, but one can edit the 2D presentation and make it look as one desires.
Anyway. Do you have any suggestions on how I can reach this registry editor?

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:18:13 GMT

Just forgot to include the window.

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 23:27:39 GMT

Hello,

In Mac the preferences file is located at;

user/library/Preferences/com.graphisoft.AC-64 16.0.0 INT xx.plist

and you can open it with Pref Setter from there.

Alternatively scroll down the Pref Setter's "Open Domain Quickly"-window to find the
"com.graphisoft.AC-64 16.0.0 INT xx.plist" and open it with double clicking.

However the mentioned setting LibPartEnableSaveBinary could
not be found - at least in my Mac. It is possible to add the key with Pref Setter as
shown in the pics.

Hope it works.

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

rocorona — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:23:38 GMT

ahmet wrote:
Thanks Katalin,
The only reason I actually need the uneditable option is not only because it is small in size, but one can edit the 2D presentation and make it look as one desires.

You can always do it. Simply go to the GDL 2D Script window, choose the "Select all" command and delete it. Now you can draw the desired 2D Symbol.

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Frank Beister — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:27:58 GMT

@Katalin
If not done yet, can you create a bug report, that the button "binary" is available in save as dialog, but does not work.

I would like to have such a setting not in a regitry "hack" but in specials menu or anything like this. If there are special settings for experienced users, they should be available and visible in an 2012+ environment. I have left the "prompt" a few years behind me.

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Katalin Takacs — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:16:14 GMT

Thank you for your comments.
We have an existing entry about the development of this function in our database (#143140); I added your remark to it. Your ideas are appreciated.

Best regards,

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

David Maudlin — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:56:25 GMT

ahmet wrote:
The only reason I actually need the uneditable option is not only because it is small in size, but one can edit the 2D presentation and make it look as one desires.

You can change the 2D presentation to an editable 2D Symbol by following the method I outlined here:
2D symbol of Archibase.net objects

David

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Frank Beister — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:28:55 GMT

Sorry, but I do not have access to this database entry.

We have an existing entry about the development of this function

My comment was no request for a function, but a bug report: In AC16 is in "save as" dialog a button to save "binary", but it does not do so, if you select it. Delete or grey out this function or make it work. Something for a hotfix. IMHO.

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Katalin Takacs — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:07:49 GMT

Dear Frank,

The design issue in our database contains the same intention, although similar changes on the user interface can be achieved in a new release of ArchiCAD only.

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

rocorona — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:16:55 GMT

Katalin, in your previous post you suggested to modify the registry key to enable the "binary" option. I tried it, but my objects are always full scripted, although the Save as binary box is checked. I think Frank is referring to this behaviour as a bug.
If this is also "by design", what is the registry key for?

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Katalin Takacs — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:14:51 GMT

Roberto,

That sounds interesting. The registry key enables the "Options" button in the Save Object dialog only, but the function should work the same way as in ArchiCAD 15. I checked the object saving in both versions, but didn't realize the difference as you did.

In case you can reproduce the issue, please forward both objects (one saved in GDL script, the other in binary format) to you your local reseller , and we will check them.
Thank you,

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Djordje — Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:48:59 GMT

I have to revive the discussion ...

... as the functionality and the workflow are again destroyed by the "improvements"

The workflow I am referring to is that the whole buildings of a building complex can be required to be objects. In that case, Binary is ideal, as it is NOT NEEDED to have parameters active. The current scenario of object saving only pertains to doors, windows, their panels and handles, and furniture. It does NOT support any large scale project implementation.

Don't say Modules, that is another story altogether. They don't update, only when opening the host file (16 3872)

1. ArchiCAD 16 Build 3872

- default object saving from the 3D window results in missing parts and macros
- activating the binary save in the Registry results in the object without doors and windows

2. ArchiCAD 17 Build 4005

- default object saving from the 3D window yields exactly the same results
- there is not even a greyed out button for the Binary save

Modules? the same, only worse - they don't react to layer combos.

All in all, the functionality that WAS there is NOT THERE any more. Thanks. I am off to model an X Fighter to cool down, maybe I can submit it to the authorities and get the building permit?

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

fuzzytnth3 — Thu, 07 Nov 2013 11:47:46 GMT

I have a large object of a 15 storey shopping mall plus car parking etc but despite choosing the option to save as Binary ArchiCAD 17 doesn't.

Not only that the "Binary" version comes up with an invalid 3d script so doesn't display in 3d at all because it is looking for other Library Objects that are in a different Library which I was avoiding loading as it has a lot of stuff I don't need hence my reason for trying to create a Binary version, grrrr

No happy....

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Djordje — Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:20:54 GMT

Don't worry, it's worse in 17 ...

Re: Save 3D model in AC15 vs. save selection as object in AC

Nando Mogollon — Thu, 07 Nov 2013 23:20:12 GMT

Djordje wrote:
... I am off to model an X Fighter to cool down,

Dear Djordje,

Please share it.

May the force be with you