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GDL objects creation

Ahmed_K — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:47:39 GMT

Hi Guys, i'm wondering to knwo if we whould have a graphic version of gdl scripting in future ?
something like grasshopper nodes, with some nice and clean graphic nodes, with a good help inside
it seems like gdl is just for programmers, writing and writing,
this would enlarge the number of archicad objects on the web, as there will be more gdl object creators,
Also, why graphisoft doesn't enlarge or revise it's library when it releases a new verion, + 100 new objects per version is not too much as the default library is missing many objects

Re: GDL objects creation

Lingwisyer — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 01:25:02 GMT

bouhmidage wrote:
Also, why graphisoft doesn't enlarge or revise it's library when it releases a new verion, + 100 new objects per version is not too much as the default library is missing many objects

Rather than adding new objects, it would be nice if all of the existing ones worked as there are quite a few that vary between versions that do not work...

Re: GDL objects creation

Ahmed_K — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 13:41:41 GMT

Lingwisyer , all right, for exemple, the wall framing object, still on it's state since years, kitchen cabinets are not too much usefull for modern kitchens, storage, wall storages ( placard in french language ) theese objects are fondamental for each project....
there is a lot of work in this way, correcting objects, adding parameters, detailling them, creating new ones,
and the most important thing is to help us creating objects using a good interface,

Re: GDL objects creation

Nader Belal — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 20:47:10 GMT

@boumidage.

You're going to get a bad time if you take a tour in grasshopper forums in discourse

Re: GDL objects creation

Ahmed_K — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:50:00 GMT

moonlight , sorry didn't understand very well, can you explain your point please ?

Re: GDL objects creation

Professor Pickle — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 00:41:31 GMT

The whole philosophy that "ArchiCAD is so awesome because you can program any parametric object" is actually not all that awesome. Programming is hard at best of times and GDL is an awful language (I speak as a former software engineer). The whole system is completely outdated. If at the very least it was based on some decent language then it might have been more usable. As it stands GLD is a major obstacle.

The requirement to code in order to achieve parametric behaviour in objects is just too steep. All ArchiCAD customers are missing out on community content because of this. We really need a better way to create parametric objects. For all its quirks, Revit actually does a pretty good job of this. If I want to make a simple parametric object in Revit I just set up the parametric "skeleton" using reference planes and constraints and then I draw 3D stuff around those planes. Done.

Simple stuff should be easy and hard stuff should be doable. GDL just makes everything hard.

Re: GDL objects creation

Nader Belal — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 02:54:36 GMT

@Tomek Piatek

1. GDL is not hard (and I´m speaking as an architect with no degree in software engineering).
2. It was made for architects.
3. It was made to pack the maximum amount of data in the smallest possible package (by the way I usually optimise my objects when I script them).
4. Community content ??? Are we talking content as data or content by numbers, because just two months ago, I have custom scripted some metallic profiles (about 55 of them) in one file, with a custom made GUI, US LOD 100 / 200 / 300 / 350 / 400, with COBie data, basic manufacturer's and product data in less than 75K including code comments.

Re: GDL objects creation

Piotr Dobrowolski — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 10:28:15 GMT

The simpler stuff can be done by: LPM:
https://www.graphisoft.com/downloads/addons/LPM/INT.html

And I think it is user friendly enough...

Piotr

Re: GDL objects creation

Ahmed_K — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:23:55 GMT

LPM can be used for quick objects, not really fully parametric objects, fo example, i want to create a whole new wardreobe, based on our local industry and techniques, special doors, special drawers, handles, and all created things are scheduable, for construction purposes, it can be done with walls, slabs, beams etc, but there you loose the parametric power, LPM will just create a solid object wich can't be parametrized in a large way,
I think graphisoft should look at it's gdl library, in terms of content, and usability
I don't know but, is seems that all the obstacles facing archicad and it's design tools limitations (wall, slab, shell etc) are caused by gdl,

Re: GDL objects creation

Nader Belal — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:52:23 GMT

@Bouhmidage

excuse me:
but that is of my making, in

GDL http://puertasgismero.es/en/bim-english

Re: GDL objects creation

Ahmed_K — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 12:47:40 GMT

nice work moonlight !
how much do you spend on modelling each object, how much difficult,
i can't understant how difficult it is, cos almost of GDl tutorials on wed are about creating 2D symbols, and very basic shapes, tables,

Re: GDL objects creation

Nader Belal — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:14:16 GMT

Thank you,

But:
1. There was a lot of time that was invested in learning and reverse engineering many objects.
2. These object were made to a manufacturer, and here the context and scope is quiet different than that someone would make the object for his/herself.
3. I was limited by the info that was delivered to me by the manufacturer.
4. Compared to what I can do now, I have reached a higher level of proficiency and code optimisation.

For you:
Custom made GDL objects library for personal use, must be seen as a continuous work of development .. ie: don't try to get to perfection with each object you create for personal use, just do something that works for you, that is simple and easy to maintain (improve), and look to it again unless something is needed from that same object.

Or you can contact a professional scripter that already knows how to create these object such as myself.

Re: GDL objects creation

Nader Belal — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:45:03 GMT

@All

When I finished creating the object prior to final delivery to the client, the library was composed of 3 files that had all the objects.

But as an as****e reptilian revitan was the nexus between me and the client, I had to separate each model to be independent.

Re: GDL objects creation

Piotr Dobrowolski — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 20:37:55 GMT

Try persuade Your client that exploding library is counter productive. (crossing fingers).
If the "atomized" version is needed use macros and call your big objects from masterscript with the needed parameters locked.
Insist on having the big objects as well in the library (for usage not only as macros)- for geek users.

(I smell not only a "revitan reptilian"... but some big "hosting player" insisting on atomizing the library)

Piotr

Re: GDL objects creation

Nader Belal — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 20:49:55 GMT

@Piotr Dobrowlski

My contact was an ArchiCAD user working for a revitian user that tried to secure a contact with a client that needed something that was BIM compliant and didn't understand the implications, and although I tried to deliver my message, and in fact even when I have had made a draft delivery that was 3 months late and not finished by any means,

I asked my ArchiCAD nexus to show case my work in a specific manner, next day I heard that the client was sooo impressed that had asked the Revitain team to do the same..

That was like kicking their a**es via wifi

Re: GDL objects creation

Piotr Dobrowolski — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 21:12:45 GMT

Congrats!

Revit users hate the atomized families too...not only Archicad ones.

Atomized libraries are utilized by certain "hosting" to give producers practically unusable data of number of downloads of objects of certain building products while 10000 downloads by some students will never ever be in par with selling the real product. Illusion is sold to non-tech-marketoids they talk to, they never talk to tech guys, guess why 😉

Re: GDL objects creation

Nader Belal — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 21:31:12 GMT

@Piotr

I know, but I confess that I know that I was really lucky with what happened, beside and in line of your comment, you can get more accurate data from budgeting the same objects or the items that are being sold