topic Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13??? in Libraries & objects

Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

kevin b — Wed, 24 May 2023 08:56:56 GMT

It appears that all of the doors, at least the ones I tried, in the US version of 13 no longer give you the ability to set the color of the swing pen. Not only does it screw up our graphics but we use the colors of the doors to send them to particular layers in the DWG translator because we send out files to our consulatnats that have existing, demo and new doors in them and thats the only way I know of to make it so all the doors aren't one layer. Used to be there. Now its gone. That's just awesome.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

kevin b — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:13:33 GMT

OK, so I found where it went but now its a global setting under Model View Options??? All door swings have to be the same color, that's ridiculous. What's next you're going to tell me all walls have to be brick? All roofs need to be flat?

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:56:16 GMT

I spotted that too. Hopefully it's just an oversight.

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=154190

The work around would be to use the 'old' AC12 doors found in the migration library, but this defeats the point of global parameters. Doors and windows should individually be able to override any particular MVO setting in special cases.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

kevin b — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:08:33 GMT

I see from that other post, I hadn't even thought of the swing type but I know a lot of firms use straight vs curved to differentiate between new and existing. This is a huge mistake in my opinion, not to be able to control doors individually. I don't even know why you would make this a global thing anyway. You're setting every other parameter of each door individually, or in groups using find and select (or the method of your choice) why is this a global view setting? Absolutely stupid.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Erika Epstein — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:55:11 GMT

You can over-ride the MVO option.
1. Set the door/window to show SYMBOLIC

2. On the Floor Plan Display Tab un-check use object pens and line-types and set them as you want that individual door to read.

The only MVO that can't be over-ridden is the swing type of straight or curved. This should be the 3rd item to be unchecked after unchecking use objects pen
use objects linetype
use objects swing style

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

kevin b — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:11:14 GMT

Doesn't work because then every part of the door becomes a single pen color, we have frames one color, doors another, swings another, glass another, set within the parameters of the door. The whle point of having all that functionality within the doors setting is so you can customize them to look anyway you want. That is until Graphisoft arbitrarily decides that this is a function is no longer necessary. How do you come to the decision that all door swings in a view must be the same color the same linetype and all straight or curved? What's next all walls in a view must be the same linetype and color? Why take that one piece of functionality out of the individual door controls and make it a global view setting, doesn't make any sense, it doesn't belonmg there.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Erika Epstein — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:54:34 GMT

Kevin,
I am not disagreeing with you. I was showing extent to which you can over-ride the global setting. This came up during the beta testing. This change for only a global setting does not work.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

kevin b — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:21:03 GMT

Didn't mean to jump down your throat, I usually don't get so worked up about the changes as most of the time I can see that the different things are better in the long run, but this one just seems so wrong to me. And if they are going to make a gloabal setting be part of the view options it should be similar to the override on fills, if you want to control all door swings globally it should be an override in the view settings, but leave the base functionality for parts of the door back in the door parameters where it belongs.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Wokka — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:19:03 GMT

Kevin,
I'm with you!
I'm still weeks away from getting R13 (down-under we're waiting catch the trade winds blowing in from the west...) but this sounds like a nightmare.
We want more control, not less...
Thanks for the explanation Erika, interesting it came up in Beta testing. Was it acknowledged or a reason given for remaining or just forgotten?
Cheers

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Chazz — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:19:26 GMT

My convention is that existing doors/windows get builders markers (just the W x H dimension along the sill) whereas new penetrations get full labels with ID tags that are scheduled. I can't abide by the straight line (and it does nothing to address windows, as my method does).

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Erika Epstein — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:17:00 GMT

kevin wrote:
we use the colors of the doors to send them to particular layers in the DWG translator because we send out files to our consulatnats that have existing, demo and new doors in them and thats the only way I know of to make it so all the doors aren't one layer.

Hopefully graphisoft will address the problem sooner, rather than later.
In the meantime, as doors in AC inherit the layer of the wall they are in, can you reset your DWG filter to pick up the layer of the wall rather than the pen color of the door swing?

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:19:12 GMT

and I supposed that in this case I have to manually draw the sliding door opening symbol.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Jochen Suehlo — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:48:25 GMT

The new feature that allows global settings for library parts in the model view options is a big step forward.
On the other hand it seems that Graphisoft forgot a button to manually deactivate this feature.
If I want one door with red swing lines and another with a blue on, this is not possible.

You can find the new feature in the GDL manual under "LIBRARYGLOBAL" and in the New GDL features of AC 13.

An explanation (only in German) you can find on selfGDL.de.

It seems to be necessary, that Graphisoft adds a checkbox "LibraryGlobal on/off" in all objects that use LIBRARYGLOBAL and additionally add those parameters that are now only available in the model view options.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Erika Epstein — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:47:56 GMT

Joachim wrote:

It seems to be necessary, that Graphisoft adds a checkbox "LibraryGlobal on/off" in all objects that use LIBRARYGLOBAL and additionally add those parameters that are now only available in the model view options.

Yes, we are all agreeing with this.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Eduardo Rolon — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:02:10 GMT

On another note, can somebody clarify what is the difference between the "Contour Pen" and "Pen in 3D". I thought that "Pen in 3D" was the equivalent of the "Uncut" Pen and Contour matched "Cut" but working with AC13 doors Contour only changes the floor plan cut and "Pen in 3D" is used for the door elevation and the section.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Erika Epstein — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:49:53 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
On another note, can somebody clarify what is the difference between the "Contour Pen" and "Pen in 3D". Contour only changes the floor plan cut and "Pen in 3D" is used for the door elevation and the section.

Yes, this is how it works, I thought it always worked this way, but I can be wrong. I often set the 3D pen much lighter so it doesn't overwhelm the section, elevation or 3D visualization.

I notice that the there is still a problem with the swing angles here

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Eduardo Rolon — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:20:46 GMT

Erika verifying, in AC12 and AC13

For Frames
contour = section and floor plan
Pen in 3D = elevation

For Door panels
contour = floor plan
Pen in 3D = elevation and section

If we substitute contour for cut it makes sense for the Frames but not for the Door panels and since in Walls, Slabs etc Pen in 3D means elevation not cut I think this might be a bug.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Erika Epstein — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:52:38 GMT

Eduardo,
In both AC12 & 13 I am seeing different pen settings for 2D and 3D. For both #d includes sections as well as the 3D window.

Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Erika Epstein — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:55:41 GMT

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Re: Where did the Door swing pen color setting go in 13???

Erika Epstein — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:55:52 GMT

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