topic Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider in Libraries & objects

how to correctly show an XOX glider

jbArch — Wed, 24 May 2023 09:56:07 GMT

I am wondering if there is a way to modify the "W Glider3" window to reflect an actual XOX glider. The window I want is an 8' wide unit, so there would be two operable sashes at ether side, each 2' wide. These slide towards the center where there is a fixed 4' wide unit.

But the WGlider3 part makes each sash the same width.... there must be a toggle I am missing, right?

It's a butt-ugly window if you ask me, but I need it for a model of the existing house.

cheers,
JB

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:38:06 GMT

Would you please post a photo of the existing window to see what it looks like.

Thanks.

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

jbArch — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:46:52 GMT

No problem... sorry the window is behind a small tree but I think you'll get the idea.

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:32:53 GMT

I could not find the Window in the Archicad 12 library you were talking about, so please check out the attached ZIP (with a GDL object of the window in it) to see if this is close to what you want.

You can make a custom window easily in Archicad. Make the window laying down using slabs with the middle/bottom of the window at 0,0,0 in the drawing (shown in next post). Select just the window components and show only them in 3D view. When these parts are selected and shown in 3D, then go to:

File (menu) -> Libraries and Objects -> Save 3D Model as... -> Save the filename -> select the "a Window" option in the "Save as Library Part" dialog box. You can now insert this as a window into your drawing. You may have to experiment a couple times with the process.

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:33:44 GMT

Post #2 with photo.

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

jbArch — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:42:34 GMT

Cool, thanks for all the effort!
What do you typically do to show window casings with this type of window? Just model it up separately?

JB

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:59:33 GMT

If you know GDL code you can model it with the window. I make custom windows that have everything in one GDL object. For example the attached photo is all one GDL object. It shows solder, rowlock, window, trim, glass & mullions.

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

vfrontiers — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:43:58 GMT

You could do as described here(sashes only), but then change the SUBTYPE to Window Component. Then it will appear in the CUSTOM window menu of say a FIXED WINDOW... There you can use all the trims that are available to the standard Fixed window, but the Sash would appear as XOX.

It's really not that difficult; just sounds like it.

Hope this helps,

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:28:53 GMT

Even though not written for me.
Thanks for the sub-type idea Duane
Even as a complete newbie to gdl, I think I can handle that one.
And as very minor unimportant sub note: I think jbArch meant to write OXO.
lec

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

jbArch — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:17:37 GMT

lec1212:
What you are saying makes sense to me (o = operable), but the window manufacturers seem to think it is the other way around (o = stationary, x=operating). Or at least Marvin and Milgard treat it that way.

BTW, I like your protest drafting arm.

-JB

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

jbArch — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:49:38 GMT

vfrontiers wrote:
You could do as described here(sashes only), but then change the SUBTYPE to Window Component. Then it will appear in the CUSTOM window menu of say a FIXED WINDOW... There you can use all the trims that are available to the standard Fixed window, but the Sash would appear as XOX.

Duane, cool idea! It is sort of working for me, with a couple of snags. One is that the xox "sash" gets shoved over to the side in 3D view. See attached jpeg. Almost seems like AC is trying to show it 50% open in 3d, but there is no such toggle (I'm using a custom sash on the W Fixed 12 library part).

The other thing is that in plan view it still looks like an ordinary fixed window. I guess I understand this and don't really expect perfection, but if there's a way to make it look right then I'm all ears.

cheers,
JB

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:29:52 GMT

jbArch wrote:
"but the window manufacturers seem to think it is the other way around (o = stationary, x=operating)"
Your absolutely right.
Use to Anderson's which are AP,PA A=Active; P=Panel.
And made the wrong general assumption.
Sorry about that!
Learned something here, (as always):-)))
Thanks
lec
Miss the drafting arm, there was something really nice about those days,
when lines and windows stayed where I put them and stuff like that.

Re: how to correctly show an XOX glider

Anonymous — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:42:07 GMT

JB,

You're almost there!!! Here's what's happening:

When you save the custom sashes, the program is inserting GDL code to move the GDL's origin to the lower-left extreme of the object's 'footprint'.

You'll see some code at the very top of the 3D Script that says "ADD blah, blah, blah". The first value is movement on the 'X' axis. If you set that value to 0 (zero), it should keep the sashes centered on the global origin, and it'll place the sashes centered in the window frame. You'll recognize the number easily, as it'll be half the total width of your sash assembly.

I'm pretty sure that's what you need to do, as I don't have it here to see.

Also, before editing, copy that whole line of code, past it right under itself, 'comment' it out with an exclamation point, and then edit the original line. That way, if you make something go totally FUBAR, you can get the original code back and at least reset to square one!

Hope that helps... BTW, I answered to your issue regarding floor framing display in the "Working in Archicad" section, too.. Saw exactly what you were after, there.

Party on!