topic Re: Placing custom window on a wall in Libraries & objects

Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:40:49 GMT

I can not to edit the symbol of a archicad 12 window, it does not have a 2d script!! and I gave up...., so I am making my own window as a 3d model and I can easily edit the 2d symbol. .. the problem is when I place the window on the wall it looks good on floor plan but in 3d view the window is outside the wall.. ^&%$^&%!!!
( I will have to create every different size window, because if I make it bigger, the jamb will distort ..) anyway, for now i just want my window to be in the wall , not sticking out .

Does anyone knows how to create a smart/stretchy object ??
any books out there??

Thanks,
Carmen

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:59:45 GMT

Carmen,

My guess is that you saved it as an object. You need to save it as a window to be able to adjust it correctly.

Doug

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:19:14 GMT

Doug, Thanks for replying.
I did saved it as a window!.. but on 3d view the wall has a hole and the window is just touching the wall!!( in a 2x6 wall the window is 5 1/2 inches off)

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:22:06 GMT

hey Doug,
This is going to sound dumb , but .. do you know why I appear to be as a guest and you as an active member? ( I joined last year but is the first time i actually post anything).

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:44:51 GMT

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Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:22:53 GMT

carmen83353 wrote:
hey Doug,
This is going to sound dumb , but .. do you know why I appear to be as a guest and you as an active member? ( I joined last year but is the first time i actually post anything).

If you have a couple of post, you automatically become New Member instead of Guest. You now have 5 so you are fine.

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

David Maudlin — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:32:07 GMT

carmen83353 wrote:
I did saved it as a window!.. but on 3d view the wall has a hole and the window is just touching the wall!!( in a 2x6 wall the window is 5 1/2 inches off)

Carmen:

You may have created the window at the wrong "z" height. See page 261 of the AC 12 GDL Reference Guide (DOORS AND WINDOWS) for some information about the correct "z" heights relative to Project Zero when creating doors and windows.

David

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:57:51 GMT

Carmen wrote

the problem is when I place the window on the wall it looks good on floor plan but in 3d view the window is outside the wall..

Carmen,
When you finish constructing your model make sure that the bottom center of your window is at the project origin. This will be the starting point for the script. Then(assuming you do it in plan lying flat) raise or lower the entire model so that Project 0 splits it in half horizontally (as seen from an elevation or section view). This should place it in the wall properly.

Doug

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:17:04 GMT

Hello Doug,
You wrote:
"raise or lower the entire model so that Project 0 splits it in half horizontally"
I am not sure this is right. Would this not cause half of the assembly to
project beyond the outside of the wall ?
I would say raise or lower the entire model so
that the lower face of the frame/jamb is at project 0, the exterior trim
is below project 0 and every thing else is at or above project 0.
Also, make the model on the first floor plan. I once made a window
on a story that was 100 feet below story one and when I placed the
window it showed up 100 feet outside of the wall.
Peter Devlin

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:58:42 GMT

Hi Peter,

I tried this a little while ago and it seemd to work. From what I see the auto script places "Z" zero at the center of the wall and builds the window from there outward. I guess that project zero is "Z" (or ZZYZX) zero in the script.

Doug

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:55:42 GMT

Well I guess it makes sense now. The project origin is 0,0,0. Correct me if I'm wrong...Autoscript uses the project origin as 0,0,0 in the script. I guess we don't think about plan views having a Z direction because we are looking at onlly 2 dimension. That would explain...

Peter Devlin wrote

I once made a window on a story that was 100 feet below story one and when I placed the window it showed up 100 feet outside of the wall.

Doug

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:01:13 GMT

Hello Doug,
You wrote:
"auto script places "Z" zero at the center of the wall and
builds the window from there outward."
I just re-read the GDL manual about "Special Instructions for
Doors and Windows". In the General Guidelines section it states:

• When constructing the door/window in the floor plan window,
visualize it as if you are looking at it from the inside of the wall it will be
inserted into.
• Think of the project zero level as the external surface of the wall.
• Elements that should be inside the wall, like the window frame, should be above the zero level.
• Door panels opening to the outside should be below the zero level.

Note the second statement, "zero level as the external surface of the wall",
not someplace in the thickness of the wall. Thus, if you want the outside
face of the jamb to be flush with the outside surface of the wall then
in the plan model, as seen in section, the outside surface of the edge of
the frame should be placed at Z=0. I don't understand how you can
get things to work any other way than as described above.
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:30:05 GMT

Good morning Peter,

Well, I'm not sure exactly why that window worked last night. After reading your post this morning I created several different windows trying to recreate that scenario. What I found was that you are absolutely right. No matter what I did I could not get a window that was created centered horizontally on the z axis to place correctly in a wall. Actually, you can change it using the "Sill" construction method. Maybe it was set to that. Thanks for making me take a second look. The last thing I want to do is give someone the wrong information.

Thanks again,

Doug

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:28:23 GMT

Hello Doug,
Thanks for posting back. I was one worried man last night
wondering if I had not understood the basics of making
a door or window in GDL.
Peter Devlin

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Stress Co_ — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:14:25 GMT

Hi Peter:
Any idea why my custom door when placed only partially shows? It's sliced by a diagonal line.
(It's been a long time since I've created a custom door)

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:44:05 GMT

Hello Marc,
That is indeed strange. Do you recognize what appears to be
another type of door panel on the other side of the diagonal line.
I am assuming that you modeled a complete door, frame, and trim
in the floor plan and saved as a door because you seem to have
prairie style trim and a cleated door panel. It's as if you have
a custom door panel enabled as well as your modeled panel.
I have never seen this before. I do not do many auto scripted doors
or custom door panels
Peter Devlin.

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Stress Co_ — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:53:23 GMT

Thanks for the reply Peter.
The lines to the right of the diagonal are a window on a wall in the background. Actually, I only modeled a door panel, which I then
placed as a custom panel in a D1 12 DOOR.

I may just do a 2D patch as I'm a bit pressed for time.

BTW, Looks wrong in the preview too.

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:38:33 GMT

Hello Marc,
Have you tried to open your custom door panel via file->Libraries and objects
->open object and navigate to the folder that contains your custom door
panel and select and open it to see in the GDL editing environment's
3D view if the panel is cut in the same way as you see in the preview
and the elevation ?
Peter Devlin

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Stress Co_ — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:16:46 GMT

Ahh, thanks Peter.
Looking at the 3D editing enviro. made me realize I created the door in plan with a rotated grid. All is now as it should be.

Re: Placing custom window on a wall

Djordje — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:57:40 GMT

It is also essential that the project origin 0,0,0 is at the middle of the bottom of the door.

Same for all the objects that you create from the plan. ALWAYS model them so that the default insertion point is at 0,0,0