topic Re: Objects disappear in Libraries & objects

Objects disappear

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:48:33 GMT

I've experienced that objects (library parts) suddenly disappear fraom my model. In the floorplan they leave a spot, but when I select this spot, it's impossible to open the settings. The 3d view also show that the object is missing. Are there someone that has an idea about what cause this?
And are there some way to correct it without having to put all the objects back one more time.
I've done that once, and now it seem like I have to do it again with the same objects. All the objects that suddenly disappear, has been downloaded from Archibaseplanet. Objects from ForaForm. Helland and Offect are still there. So it's actually all the objects from Archibaseplanet that has this problem.

Re: Objects disappear

Dwight — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:34:46 GMT

This is a library management issue.

They show as dots - missing - because they aren't in the library.

The Archicad library is specified by folder - it doesn't search your entire hard drive willinilli for objects.

Place downloaded objects in a folder added to the library in the Library Manager Dialog.

I recommend that you establish a Folder called "Archicad Library Additions" and place all of your downloads there.

Then add that folder to the Library in the Library Manager.

Then RELOAD the library.

The dots should become objects.

Re: Objects disappear

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:24:28 GMT

The way you describe is the way I usually organize my objects. I also tried to reload the objects in my Arcibaseplanet-folder using the Library Manager Add-button, but it did not help.
But, I think it's weired that this happens only to the objects downloaded from a certain site.

Re: Objects disappear

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:36:03 GMT

Now I've pushed the Reload button too. But it doesn't make any difference.

Re: Objects disappear

vistasp — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:55:21 GMT

Anne, just double-check that the gdl files still exist in the folder that you're reloading. For some reason, AC seems to think they're not there.

Optionally, try loading one or more objects individually and see if they show up on the plan.

Re: Objects disappear

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:36:00 GMT

I've done that. The .gsm file exists on the filesystem. I have a copy of the project. And the objects are still in the copy.

Re: Objects disappear

Ralph Wessel — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:53:19 GMT

Anne wrote:
I've experienced that objects (library parts) suddenly disappear fraom my model.

I don't know if this is related to your experience, but I've seen this happen a number of times now, particularly opening projects from older versions of ArchiCAD. Initially everything seems fine, i.e. all the objects display correctly. But after saving and re-opening some objects are 'forgotten' - they display as blobs. The original objects are still in the library and the blobs still have the correct name, but ArchiCAD seems to think they are two different things. It's particularly scary that this only becomes apparent after a project has been saved and closed.

Re: Objects disappear

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:04:26 GMT

I have a fellow student, and she also experience the same problem. But it seem to be related to objects downloaded from Archibaseplanet. I filled out a form on their site today, I hope I get an answer.
I have this problem with projects I have made in AC12 and that I open in AC12. But I've put an awful lot of objects into my project. Maybe it has something to do with it. But it's strange that it's only objects from one source that has this problem, as far as I can see.

Re: Objects disappear

vistasp — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:24:46 GMT

Ralph wrote:
I've seen this happen a number of times now, particularly opening projects from older versions of ArchiCAD.

Ralph, have you noticed this issue only with v.12 or earlier too?

Most models from archibaseplanet are converted from 3ds. I wonder if this could have something to do with it.

Re: Objects disappear

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:53:09 GMT

This sounds related to:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=26771

Not good at all to hear multiple reports of this behavior, even if only happening to a few. 😞

Karl

Re: Objects disappear

Djordje — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:31:03 GMT

To make the matters worse, stairs coming from 10 for example and use in 12 are not recoginized as the stairs. Even after you open them in 12 and edit, they are still treated as objects.

Did not try with the latest hotfix; I will re-report if it still happens.

Re: Objects disappear

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:30:29 GMT

I have now got an answer from Archibaseplanet. All their objects are made in the AC9-version. I have tried to just open the objects as an object, and save it in the AC12 as an object. My objects have not disappeared again. But it's too early to say if this really will help.

Re: Objects disappear

Claudio Lima — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:02:56 GMT

hi !

i'm having exactly the same problem, and still have no solution !

one day it was ok, and in the next morning, surprise !!! not one single object !

AC12
MBpro 10.5

claudio lima

Re: Objects disappear

Rakela Raul — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:05:25 GMT

maybe the new lib hotfix (soon to come i think) will fix this problem ??

but if you guys continue to find errors, I better find a very comfortable chair

Re: Objects disappear

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:54:11 GMT

I've updated my AC12 with a long list of patches (hotfixes?), but the problem is still there.

Re: Objects disappear

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:43:05 GMT

I have the same behaviour usualy with doors and windows since version 10. I have noticed that when I change versions, e.g. from ArchiCad 11 INT with INT library I migrate to ArchiCAD 11 GREek with Greek Library. Same thing from 11 to 12 etc. I think it is somthing with the internal ID. So the 'D1 Entrance.gsm' in INT lib is recognized correct as the same object from the Greek library with the name 'D1 Εισόδου.gsm' (ID regognition) but the symbol or the 3d does not appear in the model although its parameters are there and the object is in the loaded libraries.
Workaround:
I usually open select all doors then open the object settings dialogue. The floor plan of the last selected??? door magically appears in the preview. Click OK and every door appears on the plan at once, deferent library parts also. Same with windows.
Objects are harder to fix because they are not fixed at once (maybe trick fixing same object type only?)
The problem didn't bother me a lot because of this quickfix and that the migration takes place only once, but I only can imagine this in a big project with 10s of modules how hard it would be.