topic Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library? in Libraries & objects

Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Ignacio Azpiazu — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:54:25 GMT

AC 12 2420 Mactel, and library up to date. I only get the wc basin etc. 2D symbols, and don't have the models.

Maybe with the CSI sections reshuffling the bathroom fixtures models just got lost somewhere? Or am I missing something big?

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Aaron Bourgoin — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:19:01 GMT

If you are using ArchiCAD MEP, have a look for them in the MEP Library. The installer sucks them out of the regular library and puts them in the MEP Library.

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:20:46 GMT

Do you have MEP, Ignacio? (Don't see it in your signature.)

If so, see:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=135587

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:22:44 GMT

Aaron wrote:
If you are using ArchiCAD MEP, have a look for them in the MEP Library. The installer sucks them out of the regular library and puts them in the MEP Library.

Actually, it's not really that, Aaron, although it may look like that. No parts are moved anyway. But, see:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=135587

when MEP is loaded, various parts are filtered into different tools. The behavior is very confusing to users indeed.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Aaron Bourgoin — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:28:02 GMT

Hey Karl,

I hadn't gone looking myself. one of my clients announced to me that his 'bog' had been moved. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Ignacio Azpiazu — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:55:27 GMT

Karl wrote:
Do you have MEP, Ignacio? (Don't see it in your signature.)

If so, see:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=135587

That was it. Thanks very much. [As you put it in that thread: 'disconcerting'.]

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Djordje — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:19:36 GMT

Karl wrote:
Aaron wrote:
If you are using ArchiCAD MEP, have a look for them in the MEP Library. The installer sucks them out of the regular library and puts them in the MEP Library.
Actually, it's not really that, Aaron, although it may look like that. No parts are moved anyway. But, see:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=135587

when MEP is loaded, various parts are filtered into different tools. The behavior is very confusing to users indeed.

Cheers,
Karl

Then, if you have to use a non-MEP enabled dongle, you can't see them or use them at all.

Not good.

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Rakela Raul — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:28:04 GMT

Then, if you have to use a non-MEP enabled dongle, you can't see them or use them at all.

Not good.

what if you relocate the mep addon out of the addon folder before starting ac ??... a pain indeed

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:42:26 GMT

Rakela wrote:
what if you relocate the mep addon out of the addon folder before starting ac ??... a pain indeed

That's what I've done when I needed to replicate a client environment.

I always have a folder called "Add-ons Disabled" in my application folder to drag these things into, so they are easily found to drag back. The most frequent reason that I'll drag add-ons there is that many will otherwise create data in the project file resulting in prompting someone without the add-ons, upon opening the file, with the dialog with checkboxes asking if the data associated with the add-on should be saved. When creating templates for others, this is a particular hassle and easily forgotten with all of the other nitty gritty details of template creation.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Rakela Raul — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:07:23 GMT

I always have a folder called "Add-ons Disabled"

Great Idea Karl !! and thx a lot for the explanation.

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Aaron Bourgoin — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:02:54 GMT

Djordje

If I understand the MEP documentation correctly, the plumbing parts lose their MEP 'smarts', lock themselves down so that they must be unlocked to be edited.

They regain their smarts once opened with an MEP enabled ArchiCAD.

Re: Bathroom fixtures missing in AC 12 US library?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:03:00 GMT

Aaron wrote:
If I understand the MEP documentation correctly, the plumbing parts lose their MEP 'smarts', lock themselves down so that they must be unlocked to be edited.

They regain their smarts once opened with an MEP enabled ArchiCAD.

That's correct, Aaron. Good to point that out.

But, lest it sound scary to anyone - the 'smarts' are not truly 'lost', but are simply not active, and the 'lock' is just the ordinary AC lock/unlock, so easy to either unlock everything from the Edit menu, or just a particular object from its context menu.

Yes, when opened again with an AC with the MEP add-on installed and licensed, if the hotspots of MEP-enabled parts are adjacent to one another, then the pieces are once again recognized as a system.

Cheers,
Karl