topic Re: Missing objects in Libraries & objects

Missing objects

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:35:52 GMT

Ok, I have several files that for some reason load up without any missing objects. yet when I look at the model there are several black dots representing missign objects. The file in question is an 11 file converted to 12. Everything was working fine in 11 but problems in 12.

Keep in mind that if it was only one or two objects I would simply replace them and move on. Unfortunately, we are talking about a lot of objects such as chairs, furniture, etc. Again the library manager reports no missing objects.

Anyone have any clues as to what is happening?

Thanks in advance.

Re: Missing objects

Anonymous — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:29:46 GMT

Have you loaded the 11 to 12 migration library?
Bier

Re: Missing objects

Anonymous — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:34:01 GMT

Yes,

It's really frustrating. I can't pinpoint why the hell the objects don't show.

Re: Missing objects

Anonymous — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:17:48 GMT

Well hopefully someone will come along soon who has more knowledge than I, (that should be easy).
As you may know 12 only uses the GUID not the names anymore, and could that be the root of evil?
I migrated a 10 to 11, then to 12, that was a mess.
Loaded the 11 migration library to that file.
Now that I think back on that, (I know someone will cruxify me for this), but since I still had missing objects in that migrated file I went ahead and loaded all of the 11 library and if I remember right, deleted the migration library.
Yep, got a ton of "duplicates" but at least my objects came back.
The morral , (for me anyway) was never never migrate a file again.
At least until I know more than GS about this program, (probably never).
Bier

Re: Missing objects

Anonymous — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:19:25 GMT

It's frustrating to say the least. I'm not sure why Graphisoft makes these type of changes but this upgrade has been a nightmare till now. I'm responsible for upgrading over 90 users and having to deal with missing objects is a killer.

Right now I cant seem to load a project that has no duplicate objects or missing objects. While Archicad may be faster than before I can't enjoy the speed till all this crap is resolved.

Thanks for all your help

Re: Missing objects

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:19:31 GMT

We started having this problem today in an AC11 file, that once-upon-a-time (over a year ago!) was converted from AC10. It's Teamwork, the Library Report shows no duplicate/missing Objects, but the big fat dots are all over the screen (seem to be 2 Labels and a sink Object). We tried deleting the TW preference files w/o success, and saving the file as a PLN with no luck, the parts are still missing. Any suggestions?

Re: Missing objects

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:37:01 GMT

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Re: Missing objects

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:52:59 GMT

Laura,

From what I've been told this issue has to do with the sub-type changes in the AC12 GDL code relating to the internal "GUID". Apparently, any older Library Part that was renamed or created with "Save As" is treated as a completely different Object from the original. This will cause issues with legacy projects.

I'm hoping they fix this soon but I'm not holding my breath

Re: Missing objects

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:57:27 GMT

Thanks, Jorge, but I'm having this problem with an AC11 file!

Re: Missing objects

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:56:42 GMT

Laura wrote:
We started having this problem today in an AC11 file, that once-upon-a-time (over a year ago!) was converted from AC10. It's Teamwork, the Library Report shows no duplicate/missing Objects, but the big fat dots are all over the screen (seem to be 2 Labels and a sink Object). We tried deleting the TW preference files w/o success, and saving the file as a PLN with no luck, the parts are still missing. Any suggestions?

First possibility: The parts were opened and saved in 12. I have seen some cases where the newer parts are not reported as missing despite being unreadable by the older version. The fix in this case is to recover the previous version parts from a back up or rebuild them by copy/pasting scripts from 12 to 11.

Second possibility: They are not reading for some other reason. Try opening and saving the parts in the current session. This should get them working.

Re: Missing objects

Djordje — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:53:46 GMT

jorgec wrote:
Laura,

From what I've been told this issue has to do with the sub-type changes in the AC12 GDL code relating to the internal "GUID". Apparently, any older Library Part that was renamed or created with "Save As" is treated as a completely different Object from the original. This will cause issues with legacy projects.

I'm hoping they fix this soon but I'm not holding my breath

I have reported this during the beta testing and twice more since the full version is out, and have the confirmation that it is being corrected. Very nasty problem, that also affects the new objects - for example, if you open a staircase and edit it, then save, it will be treated as a new object. I think it is partially sorted in 2325 Int, not sure about US.

Re: Missing objects

Laura Yanoviak — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:02:36 GMT

Matthew wrote:
First possibility: The parts were opened and saved in 12. I have seen some cases where the newer parts are not reported as missing despite being unreadable by the older version. The fix in this case is to recover the previous version parts from a back up or rebuild them by copy/pasting scripts from 12 to 11.

I'm the only one in the office with AC12, so this was not the case.

Matthew wrote:
Second possibility: They are not reading for some other reason. Try opening and saving the parts in the current session. This should get them working.

I tried to open the parts, but was presented with a dialog prompting me to browse to the desired file. Opening the Label Tool Settings dialog had similar results (see below). I tried loading the original AC10 objects with no luck -- we ended up re-placing the missing objects.

Re: Missing objects

David Maudlin — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:05:13 GMT

Laura wrote:
I tried to open the parts, but was presented with a dialog prompting me to browse to the desired file. Opening the Label Tool Settings dialog had similar results (see below). I tried loading the original AC10 objects with no luck -- we ended up re-placing the missing objects.

Laura:

A shot in the dark: since you mention labels, is it possible that some of the missing parts are not in a library, but built into the application (labels, markers, etc). Since the file was started in an earlier version, then the current version would not be able to "find" these parts?

HTH

David

Re: Missing objects

Anonymous — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:54:00 GMT

Laura, can you extract your library parts and analyze the problematic elements? Try to open them as objects, for example. Or view properties in Explorer. What version is reported at Info&Preview Tab?

Re: Missing objects

Ralph Wessel — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:13:18 GMT

Laura wrote:
I tried to open the parts, but was presented with a dialog prompting me to browse to the desired file. Opening the Label Tool Settings dialog had similar results (see below). I tried loading the original AC10 objects with no luck -- we ended up re-placing the missing objects.

Is the following topic related to this problem?
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=24265&highlight=
In particular: http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=128865&highlight=#128865

Re: Missing objects

Laura Yanoviak — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:23:52 GMT

David wrote:
A shot in the dark: since you mention labels, is it possible that some of the missing parts are not in a library, but built into the application (labels, markers, etc). Since the file was started in an earlier version, then the current version would not be able to "find" these parts

I suppose this could have happened if a user wasn't following the office standard (all of our standards use customized Markers and Labels).

Ralph wrote:
Is the following topic related to this problem?
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=24265&highlight=
In particular: http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=128865&highlight=#128865

I suspect this has something to do with it; however, it is odd that we didn't have any problems until recently (the project is under construction, and the file has been in AC11 for over a year).