topic Re: 2d representation library fills in Libraries & objects

2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:26:41 GMT

everytime we place a library part there is always a solid fill. is there a setting to set the default 2d representation of the library part to not have a solid fill?

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:49:16 GMT

Which part are you using? To place a new object with the settings you want you have to set the parameters in the part itself. Another way would be to place the object, set it's properties as desired and then save it as a favorite.

Doug

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:57:55 GMT

all library parts - mostly sinks, refrigerators, toilets, chairs, etc. - i don't have an issue of not knowing how to change the properties after placing them. i just hate to keep changing it. there are some we can save as favorites that we use all the time. but archicad has a default of solid fill when we first place the object. why? it's becoming time consuming to always remove the solid fill after placing them for the first time. time consuming! it's obvious that most drawings don't need to be printed with a solid fill, so why default them as such.

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:25:49 GMT

I've placed several parts from both the AC11 and AC9 libraries. None of the had default settings of "Solid Fill" Are your libraries up to date?

Doug

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:30:57 GMT

i'm sorry - it's 100% fill. either way, it's annoying. yes, all our libraries are up to date. we'd have to change the properties to turn the fill off before placing the library parts.

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:52:40 GMT

I'm reaching here because I'm not sure what's happening.....

Right update (US, Int....)
Reload library...
Shut down, restart Archicad...

Short of editing the parameters of the library parts these are the only things I can think to try. Seems like a weird default for library parts. Hopefully one of the gurus will come up with a solution. By the way, you should have a signature with your OS, AC version etc. This can often help diagnose a problem such as yours.

Doug

Re: 2d representation library fills

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:20:17 GMT

mdalida wrote:
everytime we place a library part there is always a solid fill. is there a setting to set the default 2d representation of the library part to not have a solid fill?

You've got to at least tell us what version of AC you are on - please click 'Profile' near the top of this page and fill in your specs in your signature.

Library parts 'have' to have a fill for QuickSelection to work. The US library does not use 100% fill, but rather 'Background Fill' with the color set to 'screen color', so that the fill is essentially invisible, other than hiding anything below it.

It sounds like you have messed up your file attributes so that you have the wrong fill and perhaps the wrong pens. The library is intended to operate with the default attributes delivered with ArchiCAD ... any changes to those attributes (deletions or changes - not appended additions) require at least intermediate to advanced intermediate ArchiCAD knowledge.

What exactly is the problem you are seeing with your 100% fills? When printing? On screen?

Do you know how to use Attribute Manager to verify your key attributes (fills, lines, pens, etc)?

Karl

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:48:06 GMT

The problem is that when we choose a library part the 2d repres in the preview window already shows the object with a 100% fill. So, when we place the object it not only shows as a 100% fill on the screen, but on print as well. We haven't changed any attribute settings.

Re: 2d representation library fills

rocorona — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:08:20 GMT

We miss an important information: what COLOUR is the fill?? You may have opened an old file, with a different pen setting and, since then, all new projects will use that attributes.

In Italian localized ArchiCAD, version up to 9 used pen 91 (white) for background. This means that using those old objects in new versions (with standard settings) or new objects with "old" settings will results in strange colorizations...

Re: 2d representation library fills

Gerald D Lock — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:54:41 GMT

I have a similar problem, as I'm using a pen table that has been around in our office since v.8 or 9 at least I think.
The standard AC12 objects now seem to have pen 19 as the default background is that right?
My pen 19 is a mid grey, assigned in a bunch of custom objects we have in the office for Auto text... hence there is a problem similar to that originally described by mdalida

My question (and I suspect mdalida's too) is:
Is there a a way (a script maybe?.. i'm grasping at straws here) to globally change the default background pen to be 91 (white) again?

I really hope so, as it will be tedious & costly (time-consuming) to change all objects manually.

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:07:09 GMT

The color of the fill depends on whether or not the "Enable object's pens" is checked in the 2d representation setting. The color isn't the problem. We found out that since the files we've been working on are bases we've used from older AC versions, the fill type for the 2d representation is different on the older versions than the current AC12 version (fill #85 "background fill"). So, when we open old files on the new AC12 with AC12 library the objects are using the old version settings (fill #85 "100%").

As far as the background "pen" is concerned (Gerald), you may just have to select all library parts on your drawing and change the background pen to 91.

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:12:57 GMT

Is there a a way (a script maybe?.. i'm grasping at straws here) to globally change the default background pen to be 91 (white) again?

You could go into the pen sets and create one of your own. You would have to click on the pen you want to change, 91 for example. The selected pen set will change to "Custom". Click "Edit Color". Then choose the color you want for that pen and click OK. You will have to know the pen numbers of the pens that you use and do these steps for each of them. Then click "Store As" To save the pen set. Then you just need to make sure that you set this pen set current for all relevant views. Even if you have several commonly used pens this proccess shouldn't take to long.

Doug

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:52:46 GMT

I seem to have the same, but different problem. Working on a drawing file created in AC 10, now working in 12, all my 12 library parts are pre-set with vapor barrier in the solid black pen.

I was wondering about the "global: re-set as well...

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:11:21 GMT

Hello,
Setting the default parameters for the objects can be made
by converting the library to XML with the library developer
toolkit. After the conversion the parameters can be tweaked with
regular expressions.

We have converted all our libraries to use desired defaults
and this is a huge time saver. No need to adjust the pens
or fills at all.

A typical manufacturer's library contains only a few parameters
and the conversion takes only a few minutes even if there are
hundreds of objects.
Graphisoft's libraries take essentially longer because they are
not uniform, for example there are hundreds of different pen
parameters only. That being the case the conversion for our needs
takes a couple of hours to get satisfactory results ie. 95% no need to
adjust anything when placing an object.

Our objects have "Empty" fill, zero as the fill pen and white
as the fill background pen. This works nicely with Dwg conversion too.

Mac folks can use Applescript + BBedit or similar text tool to
automate the process.

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:13:56 GMT

Good grief. How did it get that way in the first place?

Re: 2d representation library fills

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:20:17 GMT

Juha wrote:
Hello,
Setting the default parameters for the objects can be made
by converting the library to XML with the library developer
toolkit. After the conversion the parameters can be tweaked with
regular expressions.

Juha -- Any suggestions on where to look to begin learning about this process? I looked through the developer toolkit and it made my head spin -- If I just knew where to start it might help. Thanks -- LJY.

Re: 2d representation library fills

ztaskai — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:29:30 GMT

Laura wrote:
Juha -- Any suggestions on where to look to begin learning about this process? I looked through the developer toolkit and it made my head spin -- If I just knew where to start it might help. Thanks -- LJY.

Yeah, we don't have any good documentation published about this. Refer to the following examples which were written for MS Visual Studio. The expressions can vary depending on the dialect used by your tool/editor.

Setting numeric parameters

Setting all gs_wallhole_hotspots parameters with the value of 0 to 1:

Find what:

{ Name="gs_wallhole_hotspots"\>(.|\n~( Name=))@\<Value.@\>}0{\</Value\>}

Replace with:

\11\2

Setting all gs_wallhole_hotspots parameters to 1:

Find what:

{ Name="gs_wallhole_hotspots"\>(.|\n~( Name=))@\<Value.@\>}.@{\</Value\>}

Replace with:

\11\2

Setting string type parameters

Setting all gs_sill_type parameter with the value of 'Brick' to 'Stone':

Find what:

{ Name="gs_sill_type"\>(.|\n~( Name=))@\<Value.@\>\<!\[CDATA\["}Brick{"\]\]\>\</Value\>}

Replace with:

\1Stone\2

Setting all gs_sill_type parameters to 'Stone':

Find what:

{ Name="gs_sill_type"\>(.|\n~( Name=))@\<Value.@\>\<!\[CDATA\["}.@{"\]\]\>\</Value\>}

Replace with:

\1Stone\2

Plus, you can find a tutorial about regular expressions here: http://www.regular-expressions.info/tutorial.html

HTH,
Zsolt

Re: 2d representation library fills

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 01:25:55 GMT

Hi guys, i have very recently started using Archicad as part of my course, but am having a similar issue in that a lot of the library parts are solid black fill when viewing in 2D! i have only very recently installed Archicad 20 and Cadimage so am going to assume i am all up-to-date! can someone offer a solution to a learner user Jon