topic Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows in Libraries & objects

Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:42:33 GMT

Has anyone seen what appears to be an hidden feature in the script of AC 12 doors and windows?

The way I see it, GS is bringing Demo/new capabilities to ArchiCad.

Maybe next version?

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:39:10 GMT

That might be a nice feature for remodelers (like myself).
But wouldn't you still need a new wall and demo wall to place in?
Don't see how you could have both in the same position, in the same wall?
As many times, even though it is a different window, it is close to
the same location, if not exactly the same location.
Bier

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

__archiben — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:12:27 GMT

Bier wrote:
But wouldn't you still need a new wall and demo wall to place in?r

depends how they handle the technology right? it could be a switch in the model view options, or even a simple visibility tag?

~/archiben

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:18:04 GMT

It would be nice to have something (soon) to shut up those Revit guys...

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:34:27 GMT

I wouldn't put too much into this. It may be a sign of things to come but from what I see it isn't pointing to anything major by itself. Library parts can be programmed to do all sorts of things. For a D/E/N system to work it would have to apply to all elements and not just those parts that happen to have the right code.

To really work properly elements would have be tagged with dates of installation and demolition with appropriate changes in their appearance since we are really no longer talking of a snapshot of the building but a process that occurs over time.

As far as shutting up the Revit guys, I would rather have features that work (ie fix those that don't and only add ones that do) than top have another half hearted, me too effort like the story markers in elevations.

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:57:14 GMT

Matthew wrote:
I wouldn't put too much into this. It may be a sign of things to come but from what I see it isn't pointing to anything major by itself. Library parts can be programmed to do all sorts of things. For a D/E/N system to work it would have to apply to all elements and not just those parts that happen to have the right code.

Do you think that GS would take the effort to include in all (or most) of AC library parts these variables, albeit deactivated, if they did not meant business? Knowing too well that the competition makes a big fuss about their capability to produce Demo drawings automatically?

The mystery, for me, is that they would include such variables in the objects and not use them. Sounds as if they intended to, but like other novelties, just pulled it out right before the deadline because Beta would not debug it, and did not have the time to correct the windows/doors.

It is very atypical for GS to show their game in such a blatant way...

Matthew wrote:
As far as shutting up the Revit guys, I would rather have features that work (ie fix those that don't and only add ones that do) than top have another half hearted, me too effort like the story markers in elevations.

Me too. But, as we have a business to run, so does GS.

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:06:19 GMT

Krippahl wrote:
Sounds as if they intended to, but like other novelties, just pulled it out right before the deadline because Beta would not debug it, and did not have the time to correct the windows/doors.

Hey! Knock in the wood three times!

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:09:54 GMT

The alternative would be that they will release a 12.5 with D/E/N capabilities. That is something that has not happened in quite some time...

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:18:20 GMT

Krippahl wrote:
Matthew wrote:
I wouldn't put too much into this. It may be a sign of things to come but from what I see it isn't pointing to anything major by itself. Library parts can be programmed to do all sorts of things. For a D/E/N system to work it would have to apply to all elements and not just those parts that happen to have the right code.
Do you think that GS would take the effort to include in all (or most) of AC library parts these variables, albeit deactivated, if they did not meant business? Knowing too well that the competition makes a big fuss about their capability to produce Demo drawings automatically?

The mystery, for me, is that they would include such variables in the objects and not use them. Sounds as if they intended to, but like other novelties, just pulled it out right before the deadline because Beta would not debug it, and did not have the time to correct the windows/doors.

It is very atypical for GS to show their game in such a blatant way...

Yes and no. A lot of future features show up in the special menu before they become active functions of the program, and the curved wall method appeared in GDL before it became available to the wall tool.

Matthew wrote:
As far as shutting up the Revit guys, I would rather have features that work (ie fix those that don't and only add ones that do) than top have another half hearted, me too effort like the story markers in elevations.
Me too. But, as we have a business to run, so does GS.

I would very much like to see demo-existing-new functions (and by extension 4D simulation) built into ArchiCAD for all elements. I'm just not sure that adding parameters to the library parts is the way to go about this.

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:36:39 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Yes and no. A lot of future features show up in the special menu before they become active functions of the program, and the curved wall method appeared in GDL before it became available to the wall tool.

On the other hand, afaik, curved complex profiled walls did get stuck on 10 because they did not pass the Beta test.

But then, as a non beta tester I am free to speculate

Still, the question remains. Why are those variables tucked in there?

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:10:17 GMT

Krippahl wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Yes and no. A lot of future features show up in the special menu before they become active functions of the program, and the curved wall method appeared in GDL before it became available to the wall tool.
On the other hand, afaik, curved complex profiled walls did get stuck on 10 because they did not pass the Beta test.

No they weren't even in the beta as I recall.

And curved roof elements have been in the GDL since, I think, the mid-ninties.

Still, the question remains. Why are those variables tucked in there?

That, of course, remains to be seen.

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:16:50 GMT

I would love to have this as a real feature, and it seems like it would be pretty easy to implement at least for the demo mode. If clicking demo turned off all the 3D commands and the wall hole part, and just made the 2D part into a dashed line type, maybe with a fill color behind to indicate a new wall. I'd try it myself on a simpler object, but the door and windows objects are so complex I think it is a little over my head at this point.

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:01:38 GMT

I think we gonna se more options in View options that we could use in our GDL scripting in some way, we got one in AC12. And maybe this parameters is something that will be implemented. But that's is an answer too the future. Now we could use this parameter in our schedules.

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:13:43 GMT

Re D/E/N windows....

I'd like to see that the windows and doors can be assigned to different layers from the walls they're placed in. If I could place a window on a demo layer, turn off the demo layer in the new view, and place a new wall segment in the hole in the existing wall that the demo'd window was in... well, that would work OK for me.

The idea of D/E/N parameters blows my mind a little bit. In a good way.

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:33:50 GMT

Jocelyn wrote:
Re D/E/N windows....

I'd like to see that the windows and doors can be assigned to different layers from the walls they're placed in. If I could place a window on a demo layer, turn off the demo layer in the new view, and place a new wall segment in the hole in the existing wall that the demo'd window was in... well, that would work OK for me.

The idea of D/E/N parameters blows my mind a little bit. In a good way.

You know that in the same way you want to put a New wall in the demolition opening, you can put a Demo wall the same length as the door/window with the door/window in it? Otherwise, with doors and windows on different layers, if you turned off the Demo doors how would you know where you had to infill the opening?

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Stuart Atkinson — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:26:20 GMT

I would think that if the windows/doors were on their own layer(s) seperate from the wall and then you turn that layer(s) off then the window is no longer there to cut the hole in the wall, so there would be no hole to fill?.
Saves having all those bit's of wall floating around the place.

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:29:40 GMT

Stuart wrote:
I would think that if the windows/doors were on their own layer(s) seperate from the wall and then you turn that layer(s) off then the window is no longer there to cut the hole in the wall, so there would be no hole to fill?.

Exactly. But in reality if you remove a door or window from a wall there IS a hole to fill.

Re: Hidden features in AC12 doors and windows

Anonymous — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:36:58 GMT

own layers for everything on a drawing is old-thinking. Learn the "new" way!
There are alot of new modellingsoftwares that won't have layers at all and I must say it's often much easier to work with. I have not worker with Revit but it's only objectoriented and not doesn't use layer?