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Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:06:47 GMT

Hi!

We're using the Grid Tool and are having a few problems...

(we're using AC11 and the file is teamworked)

1) When we return to our elevation views we're getting multiple dimension strings....5 or 6 in the same place. If we delete them, they'll show up again later on.
2) They're not showing up in our sections

We did follow the directions that came with the grid tool, along with the archiwiki about it...

SO, I need help with these things:

1) how do we fully delete the grid tool to re-insert a new one
2) what settings do we affect to make sure NO dimensions insert with the grid tool
3) what is the best method for editing an existing grid?

Any help would be appreciated!

AND, if the grid tool is not such a great idea....whats a good way to handle matching grids between the floor plan, sections, elevations...??

THANKS!!!

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Thomas Holm — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:44:52 GMT

The Grid Tool bugs are supposed to be fixed in the latest AC11hotfix (1114). use Help>Check for Updates.

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Djordje — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:14:39 GMT

Supposed to.

I lost all the dimensions in the sections and elevations today. By updating the drawings in the layouts. And the submission is tomorrow.

It went without the dimensions in S/E. Embarassing.

Yes, 1114.

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:36:30 GMT

do i need to delete the old grid and start from scratch, or should the udpate just "fix it"?

what's the best way to edit the grid and tell it not to include dimension strings?

thanks!!

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Laura Yanoviak — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:07:17 GMT

Alice wrote:
do i need to delete the old grid and start from scratch, or should the udpate just "fix it"?

Don't delete your grid, but you'll probably want to check your parameters after the update.

Alice wrote:
what's the best way to edit the grid and tell it not to include dimension strings?

Grid Dimension settings are located in the Marker dialog. Make the desired S/E Tool active and Ctrl+A to select all Markers of that type in plan. Make sure dimension parameters are off under the Grid Tool panel.

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:49:47 GMT

I've made sure that all users are updated w/the latest hotfix.

I've checked the settings in their WE according to the archiwiki...

weird problem #1:
we've been having issues with our work environments "sticking," and to the point that an AC consultant has been in our office and had the same puzzled look that we have after adjusting WE, closing AC, opening it back up only to find that the affect WE has not changed at all. my concren is that the changes we make in the WE that are related to the grid tool may be affecting how its working

weird problem #2:
when we try to edit the grid, we get an error (see attached image)

we really need a solution for our grid system.
if the grid tool does not work (and/or if the method by which correcting this is above our heads) we STILL need a solution for showing the grid.

can someone suggest an alternative "best practice" for setting up the grid in elevation/section/plan with out using the grid tool??

this is getting frustrating! and i know it's because of lack of knowledge, but jeez!!! help!

thanks again for your help!!
erica

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Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:31:14 GMT

i take it back. i think it's working now..

i forgot that you would need to be logging in as a teamleader w/exclusive access to edit the gird

sorry!!!

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:14:21 GMT

weird problem #1:
we've been having issues with our work environments "sticking,"

Alice, are you still having this problem? My office is, too, but it's primarily concerned with palettes. Nobody here has found a solution yet, though.

1) When we return to our elevation views we're getting multiple dimension strings....5 or 6 in the same place. If we delete them, they'll show up again later on.

And how about that one? The next time it happens, save a separate copy of the teamworked file somewhere on your server. GS in Budapest would probably be very interested to have a look at it.

Please let me know
Zolli

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:52:01 GMT

we've found that what we had wanted to remain, quick palette's, is one of the pallette's that can not be saved in a work environment.

the dimension problem just started happening again, i'll make sure to send it along to tech support.

odd stuff!

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:33:00 GMT

Yes, it is Quick Layers that we want to remain, and often does not. Arg.

And regarding the dimensions, since your file is teamworked, it makes me wonder if your dimension problem is related to this archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=16202&highlight=archicad+placed+dimensions
My company, and apparently a few others, had an especially calamitous problem with dimensions going all over the place when we changed custom text parameters in door and window schedules. GS purportedly repaired the problem in 10 and assures me that the dimension database has been re-worked to prevent such an issue from ever occurring again. Your situation makes me wonder. Please reference that thread above with your tech support submission. You'll want to talk to Gergely Kmethy in Hungary.

Again, let me know the outcome of your tech support. It would be very important for me and the office.

Thanks
Zolli

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Laura Yanoviak — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:50:37 GMT

Zolli wrote:
Yes, it is Quick Layers that we want to remain, and often does not. Arg.

The Quick Layers Palette settings are not saved in the WE: as discussed in this post

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:01:28 GMT

The Quick Layers Palette settings are not saved in the WE

Thanks for the link, Laura. Some good advice in that thread. Hooray, now I get to make custom toolbars for the office again. Nothing like a little job security!

Thanks
Zolli

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:46:05 GMT

Regarding the grid tool adding additional grid lines in the elevations...
I have installed the hotfix 1114 (long before I started this project), but I am STILL getting the double grid lines in elevations. The 2nd set is placed on the Archicad layer, and as many times as I try to delete them, the little buggers keep coming back.

Any other suggestions, as the hot fix does not seem to be working for me?
thanks-
Kathleen

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Matthew Johnson — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:48:38 GMT

Kathleen,

We used to have a similar problem and others with the Goodies Grid Tool. In v10 the Refresh options in the section dialog allowed us to control the updating of the grid elements separate to the model rebuild. For some reason this feature has been removed in v11 and none of our solutions now work.

Can anyone at Graphisoft tell us why this feature was removed in v11?

Matthew Johnson
Powe Architects

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Laura Yanoviak — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:28:16 GMT

Matthew wrote:
We used to have a similar problem and others with the Goodies Grid Tool. In v10 the Refresh options in the section dialog allowed us to control the updating of the grid elements separate to the model rebuild. For some reason this feature has been removed in v11 and none of our solutions now work.

Exactly

We've resorted to placing the Goodies Grid on a no-plot layer and manually placing grid Objects in Plan/Elevation/Section. The Goodies Grid is still there to assist in coordination, but it's display is so unpredictable we've had to resort to this NOT BIM solution.

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Djordje — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:49:22 GMT

Well ...

Open the S/E, set everything as you want, update the view. And then on to each next ...

WITHOUT opening a S or E again, go to the plan, select all S/E, set the Grid tool refresh to Manual.

Everything will stay as it was.

When you have to change, it's all over again.

Personally, I had much more luck in 11 than in 10 ... the above workaround was developed in 10.

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Matthew Johnson — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:49:23 GMT

Djordje,

This is exactly how we used to do it in V10. However I cannot find the ability to change the Grid tool refresh in the V11 Section Settings. Where have they moved it to?

Matthew Johnson
Powe Architects

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Djordje — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:28:54 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Djordje,

This is exactly how we used to do it in V10. However I cannot find the ability to change the Grid tool refresh in the V11 Section Settings. Where have they moved it to?

Matthew Johnson
Powe Architects

Fir various reasons (read version compatibility) I am spending more time in 10 than I would like ...

Frankly, I did not have trouble with the Grid tool in 11, which is nothing short of amazing. Only three versions and umptillion updates ...

The setting is there, I can't remember where at the moment, and all the dongles are at the office ...

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Anonymous — Wed, 07 May 2008 09:47:56 GMT

Double click the Grid Element Tool in the Toolbox to open the Grid Element Settings dialog.
It's different between what it shows and what is should be.

Somebody should fix this.

Re: Goodies - Grid Tool - Problems!!

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 07 May 2008 09:56:52 GMT

Check you settings in the Work Environment.
Maybe in the Tool Settings Dialog Boxes area, Grid Settings Dialog panels are set to HIDDEN, that's why you do not see them.