topic Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects in Libraries & objects

AC25 Cabinet Objects

lparke — Wed, 24 May 2023 08:18:35 GMT

I'm reworking our template favorites for cabinets to incorporate new features of AC25. Perhaps I haven't found it but can you:
1) show dashed lines indicated door swings and shelving behind the doors in 2d elevations
2) at a two segment base cabinet, when I set the lower segment to a double hung door with drawers above I can't figure how to show two drawers side by side above the door panels. It only appears we can have one large drawer.

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

RandyC — Thu, 15 Jul 2021 16:12:01 GMT

I am also trying to setup AC25 Cabinet objects so am adding my query to this thread

Where have the edge visibility lines in "2d presentation" gone in AC25 cabinets ? can anyone direct me ?

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

lparke — Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:20:16 GMT

Randy,
Took a little digging the first time but edge visibility is back in 'representation' but it's additive with a check mark. Still a guessing game (at least for me) as far as which side AC considers left and right. You do have to go back to countertop if you want an overhang. Hope this helps.

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

RandyC — Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:00:25 GMT

lparke :
Thank you for looking for me -- I found that command but it is the cabinet lines that I need to hide
the countertop lines disappear properly but the cabinets show through , If I change line type or line color to white they still do not show properly / -- looking for a cleaner presentation until I have to sit and design the kitchen --
Randy

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

lparke — Thu, 15 Jul 2021 23:18:45 GMT

RandyC:
Ah, yes we're struggling with that as well. Best I can tell the carcass and cabinet lines are defined by the MVO or overridden by object. When you change it by object or by MVO to 'full' both the cabinet and carcass lines show up. To get it to display like AC24 you have to go with 'simplified' but the plumbing fixtures are unacceptable and faucets go away. We haven't found a combination that we can all agree to. I'm trying to work on keeping it 'full' detailed but figure out a way to create a linetype that will appear invisible as an unfortunate work around. Hopefully Graphisoft can jump in here and help us.

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Barry Kelly — Fri, 16 Jul 2021 01:33:48 GMT

lparke wrote:
2) at a two segment base cabinet, when I set the lower segment to a double hung door with drawers above I can't figure how to show two drawers side by side above the door panels. It only appears we can have one large drawer.

You will have to place 2 separate cabinets with single doors it seems.
In 24 you had the option of single, double or triple door cabinets, and the drawers had an option for 1, 2 or 3 (depending on the cabinet chosen).

In 25 it looks like you have a single cabinet with an option for single or double doors (no triple).
And the drawer is just a single unit and that is it.

So it seems you have new improved cabinets that simplify the choice of shape and style and can now stack vertically, but you lose the flexibility of multiple doors/drawers and in Randy's case the ability to turn of the cabinet side lines.
Randy's only option it seems to me, is so long as he is using a separate slab for the bench top is to add a cover fill to that slab (then bring drawers, dishwasher, under bench oven forward in display order), or hide the cabinets in a layer that gets turned off in plan view.

I would contact your local Archicad support people and ask them to add these options back in.
I have never used Graphisoft cabinets.
I was looking at them to see if maybe I could.
I won't be - I'll stick to my own.

Barry.

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Minh Nguyen — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 12:16:51 GMT

Hello,

Thank you all very much for the questions and your concerns regarding the new cabinet objects!

The new cabinets are completely reworked from the ground up. These new cabinets truly work differently compared to old cabinets. There are a lot more parameters to set. Saving them as favorite objects (with preferred styles, dimensions, segments, taps etc.) can make them easier to use.

I will try to answer all of your questions below:

lparke wrote:
I'm reworking our template favorites for cabinets to incorporate new features of AC25. Perhaps I haven't found it but can you:
1) show dashed lines indicated door swings and shelving behind the doors in 2d elevations

If I understand it correctly, what you want is to show dash lines for opening door swing? In the screenshot below you can find this option under Kitchen Cabinet Settings > Representation > 2D Representation

lparke wrote:
2) at a two segment base cabinet, when I set the lower segment to a double hung door with drawers above I can't figure how to show two drawers side by side above the door panels. It only appears we can have one large drawer.

Unfortunately, that is correct. In the new object, somehow the drawer cannot be split into multiple segments. Unfortunately, the best option I could think of is modeling 2 separate cabinets, or set the upper cabinet to have Double Hung door. It's not entirely correct but will provide an adequate representation in 3D. I will ask the developers about it. We will surely keep improving these objects in the future release.

RandyC wrote:
lparke :
Thank you for looking for me -- I found that command but it is the cabinet lines that I need to hide
the countertop lines disappear properly but the cabinets show through , If I change line type or line color to white they still do not show properly / -- looking for a cleaner presentation until I have to sit and design the kitchen --
Randy

Hi Randy, I'm not sure if this is the option you are looking for:

When you tick the boxes Hide ... Edge, you can control the linetype of the hidden edge with this option. Choosing the dotted line will fully hide the line in floor plan.

If you have any further questions with the cabinet objects, just let me know!
Best regards,
Minh

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

RandyC — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 22:27:23 GMT

This works if both the cabinet lines and carcass lines are set to white
this seems like a workaround and not an intended method - It was previously a simple
switch on or off -- I will try it on all cabinets and see if it works for them as well

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

RandyC — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 22:31:54 GMT

Nope - doesn't look right and cannot add or take ends away (no control)

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Minh Nguyen — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 13:39:36 GMT

Hi Randy,

Thank you very much for your input!

May I ask for a small PLN file from your side to better understanding the situation? I'm a bit confused by the dashed black and white lines. Are they the lines of the cabinet frame itself?
Thank you very much!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

RandyC — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 15:29:27 GMT

not sure how to make a pln small enough to send.
However the attached shows the line colors of the carcass / cabinets and contour lines
does this help ?

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Minh Nguyen — Tue, 27 Jul 2021 09:11:16 GMT

Hi Randy,

Thank you very much, now I was able to reproduce the issue!

Let me ask for the developers' opinion again regarding this one. It was unclear to me as well why transparent pen still shows the lines.
Once I have the answer I will let you know!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Electric Flute — Wed, 28 Jul 2021 17:30:29 GMT

Hello Minh,

Could you please also send this request to the developers.
Thanks,

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Minh Nguyen — Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:27:19 GMT

RandyC wrote:
not sure how to make a pln small enough to send.
However the attached shows the line colors of the carcass / cabinets and contour lines
does this help ?

Hi Randy,

I have received the explanation from the developer: The cabinet and carcass's edges are now controlled by the MVO. If you set the level of details in 2D for the cabinet to Low, the lines will disappear. But with low level of details, the sinks and taps will also be simplified/removed from the 2D plan. The only workaround is to use the same pen for the cabinet/carcass's edges and use a solid fill for the counter if you need to hide the edges.

I talked with the designer and we do see that this is a massive setback from user experience and functionality point of view. Therefore, I have enter the issue as defect DEF-5951. Fixing this would require an update to the whole cabinet objects, so I cannot promise a fix in the near future. Rest assured that I will do my best to ask for fixing these in the nearest possible timeframe.

I truly apologize for the inconvenience that you are having with this defect. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thank you very for your understanding!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Minh Nguyen — Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:33:01 GMT

Electric wrote:
Hello Minh,

Could you please also send this request to the developers.
Thanks,

Hello,

Thank you very much for the report!

After some testing, I believe this was intentional (if you see the front panel options in Archicad 24, they only have 2 types of joints, but the joints were not visible in sections/elevations). However, I believe that we should have an option to hide the joints in sections/elevations, as the architectural drawings often do not include this. I have entered a request for our developers (please refer to it as DEF-5955) to implementing something similar for the new cabinet system.

Thank you once again for sharing the issue. I wish you a great day!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

b_almquist — Mon, 15 Nov 2021 23:18:21 GMT

Hi Minh,
Rather than putting the carcase and cabinet line parameters back in the object, would it be possilble (easier even) to add those to cabinet parameters in the MVO configuration? That way we could hide the lines in some views and show them in others based on MVO.
cheers,
-Bryan

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

thesleepofreason — Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:59:56 GMT

Adding to the issues.

There is no ability to control edge visibility in 2D plan for units that don't have a counter. So you cant display three adjoining wall units as a rectangle which you quite often want to do at low LoD.

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Roy Cassim — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 05:37:06 GMT

Can I please confirm, as per the original post, is there a way of showing the cabinet carcass/ shelves and door swings in elevation? This is separate from the discussion of the level of detail and lines shown in plan. MVO have has been set to full, however the carcass or door swings still don't seem to be showing in elevation.

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Vojtech Slavik — Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:27:06 GMT

Hi, is it something new in this Topic ? Can I design invisible line ?
I'd like to get rid of lines this 2 lines under a Keep sink to be visible.

MVO - It's not helping in this case because how was said this hiding sink.

Re: AC25 Cabinet Objects

Adam Roark — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 22:22:51 GMT

I'm going to echo this request. The lines that define the edge of the sink should really disappear (especially in the undermount sink). The sink in 2D doesn't look undermounted with them there and my boss is not happy about that. For now I'm having to use a white fill to cover them. I also tried using the Cabinet with Sink object as it's 2D sink looks correct. The problem is, however, that I can't get rid of the top of the base cabinet. If I turn off the counter, it's a solid top to the base which then conflicts with my sink. Not great.