topic Re: gANGING WINDOWS in Libraries & objects

gANGING WINDOWS

Tom Krowka — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:45:10 GMT

Can someone enlighten me on the right way to gang windows? I've poked and prayed for some time now, can't seem to get the trim to look correct in 2D. I don't understand what happens when you select ganging? Does it extend trim past the window? Should the adjacent window not be ganged? I don't get it.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Stress Co_ — Tue, 29 May 2007 15:51:21 GMT

Tom:
I've never had much success with exterior trims when ganging AC10 windows.

I either place the windows and model the exterior trim or use Cadimage's DoorWindow Builder.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Tom Krowka — Tue, 29 May 2007 17:00:06 GMT

That's a shame. It's a good idea....I wonder if AC tests this stuff before it goes out. I thought maybe there is a white paper or other information on the GS website, but I can't seem to find anything anywhere.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Anonymous — Tue, 29 May 2007 20:41:09 GMT

I think that the lack of a robust window and door tool for AC is an area that needs some attention. The standard libraries don't provide you any way to gang multiple units together cleanly. When a factory mulled unit (of certain configurations) is required, it prevents us from using the IS listing for that unit. It would be counted as two seperate units and not one unit as it should. I hope they address soon.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Ben Odonnell — Wed, 30 May 2007 18:27:18 GMT

Ganging is a great feature. It's used when you have a row of windows or a window next to a glass door, basically what this feature does is to take away the 2D lines of the window/door opening.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Stress Co_ — Wed, 30 May 2007 18:32:22 GMT

Plan view no problem.... I couldn't get exterior trim to clean up in my (live) elevations.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Tom Krowka — Wed, 30 May 2007 21:10:24 GMT

My problem too.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Ben Odonnell — Thu, 31 May 2007 06:30:56 GMT

Hi Guys,
May be you should get some one to check up your windows. I'm not having any problems with it at all.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Tom Krowka — Thu, 31 May 2007 10:13:54 GMT

does that pic show brick molding exterior trim? Do the trim intersections clean up?

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Thomas Holm — Thu, 31 May 2007 12:40:42 GMT

Ben wrote:
Ganging is a great feature. It's used when you have a row of windows or a window next to a glass door, basically what this feature does is to take away the 2D lines of the window/door opening.

Actually if this was the only advantage, I'd wonder why ganging was introduced in the first place - the removal of those lines was automatic in previous versions. The windows should of course be scripted to take full advantage of the ganging feature when generating 2D and 3D views. It's a great feature when you construct glazing by combining individual pane modules (I mean simple window objects), since the outer frames blend realistically into each other (if scripted right). I find this is often much easier to get right than to use the storfront or complex glazing objects.

Be aware when listing, calculating and making schedules though!

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Anonymous — Thu, 31 May 2007 13:04:35 GMT

Exactly! The listing issue is one of my gripes. We have a lot of favorites using std. W&D objects w/ listing set up already. When ganging units together it means you need to be creative in listing one unit and exclude the other(s) if they are mulled units, regardless if factory or field mulled. The builder needs to know the combined R.O. not each seperate.
That is why GS needs to have an EXCELLENT window and door utility. This should be basic for any AEC software.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Ben Odonnell — Thu, 31 May 2007 13:07:38 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Ben wrote:
Ganging is a great feature. It's used when you have a row of windows or a window next to a glass door, basically what this feature does is to take away the 2D lines of the window/door opening.

the removal of those lines was automatic in previous versions.

Not in plan.
This was a major gripe from a lot of our users that they could never remove the opening lines in plan, when you either had a window/door combination or a band of windows.

Ben

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Thomas Holm — Thu, 31 May 2007 15:37:58 GMT

OK, I'm getting old, my memory is bad already and gets worse. I did sometimes have adjacent windows though, and I did manage to get rid of those lines - how?

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Anonymous — Wed, 14 May 2008 19:35:04 GMT

We have a problem with the exterior elevation view as well. The ganged windows look good in plan but in elevation the trim extends past the next window and there is a vertical line at the end of the trim. We gang both sides of the interior windows and one side of the two end units. If anyone has a recommendation as to how to get these lines to go away automatically, please let me know. An image is attached.

Thanks!

Ari

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Tom Krowka — Wed, 14 May 2008 22:52:40 GMT

I've tried and tried and can't seem to get ganging to work. I turn off all the ext. brick molding and insert and "architrave" object around the window which acts as the trim. It's a library object.

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

jshuether — Thu, 15 May 2008 07:44:01 GMT

I discovered that the trim on the ganged windows extends past the window when a solid elements operation was performed on the wall containing the windows. I think my work-around was to use "trim to roof" instead of SEO "subtract with upward extrusion". SEOs are such a love hate relationship....especially with meshes!!

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Anonymous — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:02:38 GMT

I have exactly this problem, and my solution has been Trim to Roof, as well.
Until now.
I have to SEO the wall containing the window to an element other than the roof, and BAM the window trim ends go wild.
Has anyone else had this problem?
Is there a good solution?
Is it a bug?
Thanks--!

jshuether wrote:
I discovered that the trim on the ganged windows extends past the window when a solid elements operation was performed on the wall containing the windows. I think my work-around was to use "trim to roof" instead of SEO "subtract with upward extrusion". SEOs are such a love hate relationship....especially with meshes!!

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

Sam Wheatley — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:00:32 GMT

Exactly! The listing issue is one of my gripes. We have a lot of favorites using std. W&D objects w/ listing set up already. When ganging units together it means you need to be creative in listing one unit and exclude the other(s) if they are mulled units, regardless if factory or field mulled. The builder needs to know the combined R.O. not each separate.
That is why GS needs to have an EXCELLENT window and door utility. This should be basic for any AEC software.

This is exactly why I never use the Archicad windows, they can't be scheduled correctly, impossible!!!!! In every release I have looked for this improvement. I have to use 3rd party software to do my windows correctly. Someone show me a job without windows. This is the most basic part of any cad program and it doesn't work with archicad. Graphisoft when you gang windows they become one unit no matter how many are ganged together and the rough opening to that gang of windows is the over all size of the ganged units. i can't believe it is june of 2008 and I am still asking for this. Anyone want to bet AC12 doesn't address this?

Re: gANGING WINDOWS

jshuether — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:14:07 GMT

My work-around is to do a SEO on the wall to subtract the window trim that has gone haywire. It works, but it is a pain in the design phase when I am still moving windows around and I have to remember to move the SEO operator (which is always on a hidden layer).

As far as windows and doors are concerned, the wooden windows and doors that are in the ArchiCAD object library are the best that I've used despite their shortcomings and bugs. The metal windows, however, are insufficient--I have had to script my own parametric metal window to allow for any combination of fixed and operable sashes to avoid having to gang windows.