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straight line for swing door

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 09:01:41 GMT

I need to show existing doors with a straight line for the swing (see image)
What’s the best way of doing this with the standard AC10 library?

Re: straight line for swing door

Laura Yanoviak — Wed, 09 May 2007 14:39:12 GMT

uggh -- I've done this, but it requires editing all door objects and a macro or two. Basically, I added an "Show Existing 2D Symbol" parameter and an IF `On` THEN "skip arch and draw line" script. The real fun is updating all doors every time there's a library update.

Re: straight line for swing door

Anonymous — Wed, 09 May 2007 20:29:08 GMT

Dare I say it: Door and Window Builder has the option of either an arc or a line for door swings.

Re: straight line for swing door

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:32:08 GMT

A wrote:
What the Lord joyfully giveth in AC11, he cruely taketh away again in AC13.

Why can't individual doors and windows override the Model View Options that controls the global settings? This is a massive reduction in flexibility!

I don't necessarily want all the doors and windows to be identical! I found being able to change the swing linetype and line style of special doors and windows really useful in AC12. Distinguishing between normal doors and full height opening windows, and existing doors and proposed doors was vital. Now in AC13 I will have to use the old AC12 D&W from the migration library, which don't use any of the new MVO options, completely defeating the whole bloody point.

Grrr.

Hopefully someone will tell me I have got this completely wrong.

Re: straight line for swing door

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:35:08 GMT

Wow, if that's true, that's a screeww up!
lec

Re: straight line for swing door

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:50:52 GMT

Hassanen wrote:
I need to show existing doors with a straight line for the swing (see image)
What’s the best way of doing this with the standard AC10 library?

Parameters > 2D Representation > Swing Type > Straight. (Curved, by default)

Not accessible in user interface (Internal Doors Settings).

Re: straight line for swing door

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:21:37 GMT

This is for AC 10 (INT).

Since AC 11 and up, Swing Type parameter is accessible in User Interface.
Internal Door Settings > Elevation and Opening > Swing Type.

Re: straight line for swing door

kevin b — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:12:11 GMT

Not anymore, not in 13. Now its a model view setting globally for all doors. I don't get it!!??

Re: straight line for swing door

Ernest Atanasiu — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:41:40 GMT

I hate the straight line representation since early architecture school days.
Why would anyone draw a door with a line that does not exist in reality?
It just looks ugly and it's not functional at all.

Re: straight line for swing door

vistasp — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:22:05 GMT

uisanata wrote:
Why would anyone draw a door with a line that does not exist in reality?
It just looks ugly and it's not functional at all.

It's not about pretty sheets; it's about conveying something to the builder or whoever is reading the drawings. If an AC functionality for which people have a good use has been inexplicably removed, a rant is totally justified.

Re: straight line for swing door

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:39:59 GMT

Hi Folks,

I agree with Vistasp, that indeed there are some offices and builders that use this convention. And they must not be ignored.

But in the other hand, I think the straight line for door opening is a dusty remain of the handmade drawing era.

At that time (Oh God! The dark ages), it was much more easy and quick to represent a door swing with a straight line than with an arc.

So... I guess that as time goes by the tendence is that it will become an useless feature.

My 2 cents.

Re: straight line for swing door

vistasp — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:47:58 GMT

Braza wrote:
... it was much more easy and quick to represent a door swing with a straight line than with an arc.

I absolutely refused to use the straight line swing in the drawing-board days. Always used those plastic stencils for a "proper" curved swing

Re: straight line for swing door

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:59:55 GMT

vistasp wrote:
I absolutely refused to use the straight line swing in the drawing-board days. Always used those plastic stencils for a "proper" curved swing

Me too... Even if I had to fix it 2 or more times with those squirty black ink pens!

Re: straight line for swing door

kevin b — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:11:28 GMT

But it's not just about whether its straight or curved, it's about pen color and linetype too. Why you should be forced to make all objects of a particular type have the same settings globally for a particular view, makes absolutely no sense. It's like telling you that all walls in a particular view need to be the same color, or have the same linetype...there's no need to make demo walls a different pen color or linetype than new walls.

Re: straight line for swing door

Laura Yanoviak — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:38:34 GMT

kevin wrote:
But it's not just about whether its straight or curved, it's about pen color and linetype too. Why you should be forced to make all objects of a particular type have the same settings globally for a particular view, makes absolutely no sense. It's like telling you that all walls in a particular view need to be the same color, or have the same linetype...there's no need to make demo walls a different pen color or linetype than new walls.

For-what-it's-worth, I did complain about this during beta: http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=29810 -- so maybe we'll see this option in AC14

Re: straight line for swing door

SeaGeoff — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:41:34 GMT

Yes, thanks for catching that Laura. It looks like GS was at loss for what to stick in their new dialog box. The new MVO based attributes have great potential but must be applied following a clear logic.

The two basic tenants of that logic are 1) whether all objects with an MVO setting should look the same as each other, and 2) do these particular parameters need to change on a view-by-view basis. The answer to both with regard to door swings is NO and NO.

What I would love to see is a Level of Detail (LoD) MVO that all objects could reference, as an alternative to scale sensitivity.

And of course all objects need an override.