topic Re: Openings in complex walls in Libraries & objects

Openings in complex walls

Laura Yanoviak — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:05:55 GMT

The screet shot below shows a DWB window to the left, an AC10 SF door center, and an AC10 AF window to the right. The grey line at the bottom is the face of wall (the location of the origin when creating the profile). The desire is to have the openings set back from this face by 3" in order to align with the metal panel above.

In order to get the correct 2D representation (below), all 3 objects are placed with the "Edge" method (aka flush with face). But it's totally wrong in S/E and 3D (or, actually, correct and the 2D representation is wrong).

Looks like I'll be working around this by creating individual walls -- so much for complex profiles!

Re: Openings in complex walls

Laura Yanoviak — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:44:28 GMT

A wall section at the DWB opening (PS I hate that it does not show the thickness of glass in section):

Re: Openings in complex walls

Laura Yanoviak — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:47:08 GMT

3D view:

Re: Openings in complex walls

Laura Yanoviak — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:48:10 GMT

This is what I want:

Re: Openings in complex walls

Laura Yanoviak — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:48:55 GMT

But this is what I get in plan:

Re: Openings in complex walls

David Maudlin — Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:10:00 GMT

Laura:

This problem (2D vs. 3D for doors and windows in complex walls) came up in beta testing, but seemed to be fixed in the final release. I cannot reproduce your problem (also, I do not have DWB), and the parameter options for doors and windows is daunting. Could you post a module with the wall, door and ArchiCAD window so I can take a look at what you are seeing?

David

Re: Openings in complex walls

Laura Yanoviak — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:36:12 GMT

The complex wall and SF window are attached.

Re: Openings in complex walls

David Maudlin — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:02:43 GMT

Laura:

There is a strange lack of coordination between the 2D and 3D representations of this window when placed in a complex wall. In a sense, the 3D is correct, as the window has no setback (Construction method is set to Edge), so the front of the frame should align with the front of the wall at the base. It seems to me that the window should be set to Sill (the middle Construction method) with a setback of 3 1/2” to align the frame with the upper wall. This works as expected if the window is set to any Floor Plan Display except Symbolic (the one you are using). When set to Symbolic the window appears at the edge of the wall where the Floor Plan Cut Plane is set. So when the Floor Plane Cut is at 4’, the window is flush with the thinner upper portion of the wall, when the Floor Plane Cut is at 1’, the window is flush with the thicker lower portion of the wall. This means that the Symbolic 2D symbol is moving within the wall depending on where the cut is taken, which is at odds with the 3D.

From what I can tell this occurs only with windows, but not with doors. I took at look at the 2D Script (which is actually in the macro W_Sf_macro_10), but it is too complex for me to see how this is occurring (or maybe this is a difference between doors and windows beyond GDL). The GDL Reference Guide says that: WALL_SKINS_PARAMS will contain the complex wall skins information similar to a Composite Structure, so some of this wall data is available.

I know this is not a solution to your problem, to me it looks like a bug. I hope this helps you understand what you are dealing with.

David

Re: Openings in complex walls

Laura Yanoviak — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:40:13 GMT

Thanks for taking the time to confirm my dilemma. I cannot get the openings to appear in plan correctly (regardless of floor plan display setting), so I have resorted to modeling the wall with separate wall elements -- a shame, but by far the easiest work-around.

Re: Openings in complex walls

Anonymous — Mon, 17 May 2010 14:04:05 GMT

So it is my turn to encounter this problem and I have seen other posts that lead back here. Does this mean that this issue is still unresolved? - if so then there really is no point to having a complex wall??

... in my case the window sits as required in 3D - but not in 2D and the door is the opposite

Re: Openings in complex walls

Anonymous — Mon, 17 May 2010 14:09:33 GMT

and in 3d

Re: Openings in complex walls

Ralph Wessel — Mon, 17 May 2010 14:23:56 GMT

amonle wrote:
Does this mean that this issue is still unresolved?

Unfortunately, yes.

Re: Openings in complex walls

Anonymous — Mon, 17 May 2010 14:26:24 GMT

wow!

Re: Openings in complex walls

Anonymous — Mon, 17 May 2010 17:32:24 GMT

АС10, 11, 12, 13! I'm crying!