topic Re: www.selfGDL.com in Libraries & objects

www.selfGDL.com

Frank Beister — Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:18:02 GMT

Announcement.

Here we have two news. A good and a bad one.

The good one first. Proudly Jochen Sühlo and I can announce today the birth of a new site for GDL programmers. In lack of a good manual, updated informations and a place for collecting resources we have created a full documentation of all GDL commands and its environment. This includes commands, functions, operators, add ons, globals and requests.

Each part has its own page with all informations about it as syntax, explanations, tips and tricks, background, accessable context and attributes, references (to all manuals from ArchiCAD 4.5-10 and to the ArchiCADwiki), it's introducion time and a collection of links most to threads in bbs. Not few pages have explaining objects included for download or preview in the browser via installed web plugin.

This all you can use for free as you can feel free to donate us mite per paypal to cover our costs. We are not sponsored from anyone.

And now the bad one: It's all in German. Ooooch. Sorry, but that's it. If you are no native speaker you will have some trouble to understand the explanations, but it's the fact. "So why the hell have you written it in German?" 1st: If you found your GDL manual shipped with AC not usable as reference guide think of it, that we had a bad translation of it with new bugs inside. 2nd it was a hard work to get all informations together and write all text new from the scratch. It took neraly two years to collect and writing, programming and drawing. It would have taken twice, if we would have done it in English and wouldn't have been as good and concisely as we can do in our native language. But you English speaking people are not forgotten. We always thought of and prepared a later translation. Navigation and starting pages we translated in the last nights. Some on the fly autotranslating of parameters too. As we can not do the whole job you are welcome to translate some parts. We will help in all content related questions. Further more: We will have a look on the page hits and ask you to mail us continiously the most needed pages. Please concrete URLs only. We will post it on the site and we will try to translate one most wanted page each 3 or 4 weeks, as our time allows.

Up to AC 10 there are more than 300 commands and more than 550 requests and globals we had to describe. Additional all the environment stuff. It was really hard work. Jochen did the programming of the database and the site. I tried to keep growing continiously the descriptions and graphics. We wouldn't have done it, if we would have known, that it's so much work. You can be happy, that we have erred. Many thanks to our families, that they stood tuned so long time.

Enough words. Give it a try, maybe you will not need to book a German course at the Goethe Institute to start a well based programming day with the help of

http://www.selfgdl.com

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:32:18 GMT

Its great,
Yet I am just geting use to English, let alone......
Thanks,
Joseph

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Aussie John — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:54:38 GMT

great work Frank. I had better warm up bable fish

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Mats_Knutsson — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:12:03 GMT

F. wrote:
Announcement.

Here we have two news. A good and a bad one.

The good one first. Proudly Jochen Sühlo and I can announce today the birth of a new site for GDL programmers. In lack of a good manual, updated informations and a place for collecting resources we have created a full documentation of all GDL commands and its environment. This includes commands, functions, operators, add ons, globals and requests.

Each part has its own page with all informations about it as syntax, explanations, tips and tricks, background, accessable context and attributes, references (to all manuals from ArchiCAD 4.5-10 and to the ArchiCADwiki), it's introducion time and a collection of links most to threads in bbs. Not few pages have explaining objects included for download or preview in the browser via installed web plugin.

This all you can use for free as you can feel free to donate us mite per paypal to cover our costs. We are not sponsored from anyone.

And now the bad one: It's all in German. Ooooch. Sorry, but that's it. If you are no native speaker you will have some trouble to understand the explanations, but it's the fact. "So why the hell have you written it in German?" 1st: If you found your GDL manual shipped with AC not usable as reference guide think of it, that we had a bad translation of it with new bugs inside. 2nd it was a hard work to get all informations together and write all text new from the scratch. It took neraly two years to collect and writing, programming and drawing. It would have taken twice, if we would have done it in English and wouldn't have been as good and concisely as we can do in our native language. But you English speaking people are not forgotten. We always thought of and prepared a later translation. Navigation and starting pages we translated in the last nights. Some on the fly autotranslating of parameters too. As we can not do the whole job you are welcome to translate some parts. We will help in all content related questions. Further more: We will have a look on the page hits and ask you to mail us continiously the most needed pages. Please concrete URLs only. We will post it on the site and we will try to translate one most wanted page each 3 or 4 weeks, as our time allows.

Up to AC 10 there are more than 300 commands and more than 550 requests and globals we had to describe. Additional all the environment stuff. It was really hard work. Jochen did the programming of the database and the site. I tried to keep growing continiously the descriptions and graphics. We wouldn't have done it, if we would have known, that it's so much work. You can be happy, that we have erred. Many thanks to our families, that they stood tuned so long time.

Enough words. Give it a try, maybe you will not need to book a German course at the Goethe Institute to start a well based programming day with the help of

http://www.selfgdl.com

Really excellent work!
Could you outsource to nice german speaking people here on the forum to translate parts of it to anothe language (thinking swedish...ahm...). I took french as a third laguage...knew it was a stupid thing to do...
Mats

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Frank Beister — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:46:56 GMT

Which part do you want to get translated? There are more than 700 "parts". The feedback is very tiny until today. From the German speaking GDLers too. Nobody has sent us a wish, which should be the first page to translate, so you would have good chances. And we are still working to close the voids. So not much time for other languages. (I would prefer to return to program more than to describe too.😉 )

But we will help everyone, who wants to invest time into the international (English) version.

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Mats_Knutsson — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:01:27 GMT

F. wrote:
Which part do you want to get translated? There are more than 700 "parts". The feedback is very tiny until today. From the German speaking GDLers too. Nobody has sent us a wish, which should be the first page to translate, so you would have good chances. And we are still working to close the voids. So not much time for other languages. (I would prefer to return to program more than to describe too.😉 )

But we will help everyone, who wants to invest time into the international (English) version.

Which part ...ah..um...all parts...😉
I think gdl will start growing pretty soon. At least here in Sweden since AC has such a large market share so now it's up to us resellers to push the gdl technology more. In Finland it's very much gdl.
I cheat on some gdl but would like to learn more. For those interested in programming gdl I think your site is a very good initiative. A vast majority of us Swedes speak german anyways.

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Rob — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:35:43 GMT

Frank,
Excellent site and work, that's actually what we needed a sort of GDL compedium. Have you tried to ask GS for some help with the localisation?...just curious

Re: www.selfGDL.com

TomWaltz — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:47:42 GMT

Rob wrote:
Have you tried to ask GS for some help with the localisation?...just curious

You still believe in unicorns, don't you....

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Frank Beister — Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:27:19 GMT

Just so much: We asked for help, but not for help in translation. I haven't seen unicorns a few decades long, so I will not ask for this again. GDL is not a major interest of anybody else than the users. This is my sad and last conclusion.
P.S. But we got a very tiny help from GS.

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Rob — Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:39:08 GMT

You still believe in unicorns, don't you....

ah, you know... it's Friday, and my mind went to the weekend's fairyland already....

This is my sad and last conclusion.

well, it's a sad but not the last one I am afraid...

But we got a very tiny help from GS.

and that says it all...just can't believe that GS is getting full-on GDL tips&tricks manual and they don't give a toss...

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Frank Beister — Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:28:28 GMT

GS has NO fund for such projects. We got a close contact to one of the GDL group at GS, we could ask in special problems, but there weren't much, we haven't solved alone. And I got an extra PPU dongle to run AC at home for proofing syntax and writing demonstratioin objects. It was not really so much help - IMHO.

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Frank Beister — Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:03:51 GMT

Last night we have updated the database of selGDL. Addiontal to the changes and extensions on various pages of the normal commands, we have completed the description of the global and optional parameters (>500 enries).

Especially the section of the drawing titles has got new entries and e.g. graphics for the positioning on the Layout as AC_LayoutRect.

Over 350 screenshots an graphics have been added or updated only in this section.

Some tiny translations have been started too.

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Frank Beister — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:38:09 GMT

selfgdl.com - Update to GDL version 1.556 (ArchiCAD11) is online.
It has not been a lot of work to do. Most was updating the references. 😉 Some minor interesting global parameters and a few commands to modify the wall out of an opening object. See "GDL_NewFeatures".

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Barry Kelly — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:01:42 GMT

F. wrote:
selfgdl.com - Update to GDL version 1.556 (ArchiCAD11) is online.
It has not been a lot of work to do. Most was updating the references. 😉 Some minor interesting global parameters and a few commands to modify the wall out of an opening object. See "GDL_NewFeatures".

Hi Frank,
Have you noticed that GLOB_INTID is no longer used in version 11.
For existing old files opened in version 11 or items copied & pasted from old files will return a value.
But any new items placed in version 11 will return a 0 (zero) value.

As you have noticed there is now the new GLOB_INTGUID that needs to be used.

So all of us that use the old GLOB_INID in our scripts had better start changing them.

Thought you might like to know so you can update your website.
Barry.

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Frank Beister — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:34:30 GMT

Thanks Barry. I missed that point. I changed it on the relevant pages. BTW I thought it is the GUID of the object itself, but it seems GS has changed the internal numbering of elements. Thanks again to point this out.

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Anonymous — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:25:39 GMT

Amazing work, Frank! Congratulations and a big thank you!

Re: www.selfGDL.com

Frank Beister — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:10:57 GMT

Thanks Kliment. I take this in name of Jochen too. We have just added the missing graphics in the PRISM-section and corrected some problems on the .com-site. Closing gaps step by step. 😉