topic Re: Elevator block in Libraries & objects

Elevator block

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:26:52 GMT

Just wondering if anybody out there has had any luck with any of the standard elevator blocks (Elevator: Standard & 02). I used to "workaround" in previous projects, but I think that this current project will benefit from a properly working block. Unfortuately, the SE9 one doesn't want to generate and I don't want to go and tinker around in the code (lack of patience and experience... in reverse order:) ). The US9 has limiting factors when trying to set the size of the cab to real world dimensions from manufacturers.

Does anybody have any ideas (other than buying a different block)? I'm stumped.

Re: Elevator block

Erika Epstein — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:11:51 GMT

What is a "Block"?
We speak ArchiCAD here

Re: Elevator block

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:37:05 GMT

Erika wrote:
What is a "Block"?
We speak ArchiCAD here

That could be why the ASTOUNDING number of replies... So to clarify, I meant GDL blocks.

Anyway, I seem to have finally managed a basic installation of the 9US elevator... GDL , but I'm still wondering why the 9SE is so unusable. Whenever I try to set any options for it visually (second entry, right after Parameters), it blanks out the whole... submenu (for lack of a better word).

Now, shouldn't these be blocks that have been finalized and certified to work correctly? Am I doing something wrong (maybe using the block in the first place)? Any documented quirks with this one?

And as soon as I figure this one out, I'll move to the second block: parking stripes (how come only 90 degrees ) ...

Re: Elevator block

TomWaltz — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:02:10 GMT

I think the word you are looking for is "Object" not "Block"

I've said before and I'll say it again: I'm not impressed with the "Special Edition" library at all. I've stuck with the basic Archicad 9 library. It has its warts, but at least it works.

I've never had a lot of luck with the Elevator Object. It works as a decent generic elevator, but does not conform well to a lot of catalog-based dimensions.

Re: Elevator block

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:50:03 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
I think the word you are looking for is "Object" not "Block"

Darn. I hate it when I'm wrong... I could've SWORN it was block. I guess I'm not completely brainwashed from my AutoCad days just yet...

I've never had a lot of luck with the Elevator Object. It works as a decent generic elevator, but does not conform well to a lot of catalog-based dimensions.

So I guess the only solution left are either tinker with the GDL block or buy another one, right? Oh well. Thanks for the info.

Re: Elevator block

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:59:48 GMT

The word "block" just sounds nasty now, and that's coming from an old AutoCrud user....

Re: Elevator block

TomWaltz — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:05:00 GMT

Sergio wrote:
So I guess the only solution left are either tinker with the GDL block or buy another one, right?

GDL object.

I'm afraid so.

Re: Elevator block

Anonymous — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:58:57 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
GDL object.

Old habits die hard...

Re: Elevator block

Anonymous — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:58:05 GMT

you have to be kidding "block"..."object".....what about CELL....hey...it's only 4 letters...less typing time....

Re: Elevator block

TomWaltz — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:05:04 GMT

all right, Microstation-Boy.... 😉

Why not bring up Revit Family and Arris Repeated Item....

Re: Elevator block

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:51:04 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Sergio wrote:
So I guess the only solution left are either tinker with the GDL block or buy another one, right?
GDL object.

I'm afraid so.

If I look into GS docs, the main category is called Library Part. A Library Part is something you can use GDL to create.
There are various types of Library Parts:
-Windows
-Doors
-Objects
-Lamps
-Markers
-Zone Stamps
and maybe others I don't remember now.

Regardless of that, Sergio probably needs an Object in this case.

Laszlo (the pedantic) Or is it inkhorn? pragmatical? scholastic? wiseacre? (my dictionary gives me these choices)

PS: Still, clarification of terms IS important, saves a lot of miscommunication.

Re: Elevator block

TomWaltz — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:17 GMT

You're right. I was thinking it's called the "Object Tool".

Re: Elevator block

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:52:08 GMT

Blocks, Objects, Cells, Parts....? Thanks for the clarification Ppl. This sounds like a lesson I won't soon forget...

Though the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that we should change the name of the thread to "proper reference of them object thingies" or something like that. What say? Any takers?...

Re: Elevator block

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:49:56 GMT

Sergio wrote:
Blocks, Objects, Cells, Parts....? Thanks for the clarification Ppl. This sounds like a lesson I won't soon forget...

Though the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that we should change the name of the thread to "proper reference of them object thingies" or something like that. What say? Any takers?...

Maybe we should just call them stuff, thing-a-ma-bobs, and watchamacallits. The problem is that the "Object" tool covers WAY too many things, from graphic symbols, to plumbing fixtures, to entire buildings (sometimes), and more...

Signs are that matters may improve in the future. The tool itself has been spinning off sequels for the last few years in the Lamp, Skylight, Wall End, etc., and been appearing in supporting roles in the Section, Zone, Detail, etc. There are also now subtypes defined within the GDL which may lead to more clearly defined categories (IFC classes?) of stuff.

Re: Elevator block

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:18:38 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Maybe we should just call them stuff, thing-a-ma-bobs, and watchamacallits.

Well now we're in a real fix. Seems that not even Mr. Lohden himself is settled on a proper name...

Re: Elevator block

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:53:51 GMT

Sergio wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Maybe we should just call them stuff, thing-a-ma-bobs, and watchamacallits.
Well now we're in a real fix. Seems that not even Mr. Lohden himself is settled on a proper name...

Perhaps you didn't understand. These are serious technical terms with very particular meanings.

Stuff = The parts we actually use.

Thing-a-ma-bobs = The potential Stuff in our libraries that we haven't used or don't know are there.

Watchamacallits = The potential Thing-a-ma-bobs that we might buy or download if only we could tell what they do or whether they work.