topic Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf in Libraries & objects

Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Wed, 24 May 2023 08:43:52 GMT

Hi all,

I have an issue with my Door Panel Collection becoming blank when I open a file in which I have duplicated a Custom Door Panel.

The door panel is one that I have scripted to allow for various parameter modifications.

I have not been able to replicate the issue with a door panel that has been built with slabs, etc, then save out as a door panel...

Ling.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Barry Kelly — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 06:23:34 GMT

Lingwisyer wrote:
I have not been able to replicate the issue with a door panel that has been built with slabs, etc, then save out as a door panel...

When you save a slab as a custom door panel, Archicad amends a macro called "Door panel Collection".
This macro contains the names of the panels you have saved and calls the panel objects in 2D and 3D that you have created.

That is why if you simply duplicate (I assume by 'Save As' so it get a new internal GUID number) a door panel you have created, it will not appear in the list of available custom panels.

Barry.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 06:39:41 GMT

I am duplicating the object door panel though the Duplication option in the library manager. I have then renamed it and it subsequently appears in the Custom Door Panel drop down, so I assume it is being added to the Door Panel Collection. The issue arises when the file is reopened, at which point the Door Panel Collection becomes blank, until I delete the duplicated leaf. Almost as if it is finding a second macro, and only finds the original after the duplicate leaf is deleted.

Ling.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Barry Kelly — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 07:16:03 GMT

I just tried duplicating it the same way a you in version 22.
Duplicate in library manager, renamed, OK, save file, close Archicad and reopen.
Both the original and duplicate door were in the list of custom panels.
I am not using teamwork at all - not sure if there may be a permission thing happening there if you are.

Barry.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:17:34 GMT

I have only had this issue with a door leaf that I had scripted. Ones that were made through "Save selection as door leaf..." worked fine.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ryj4is92nom9uar/Door%20Leaf%20-%20Louvre.gsm?dl=0
*Link to my custom door leaf

Ling.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Barry Kelly — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:03:53 GMT

OK I can confirm it does indeed go blank when you use a scripted door panel.
It is fine after you duplicate it and I checked the macro and it was all amended properly with the new panel and the duplicated panel.
For some reason, when you now close this file with the duplicate scripted panel, the 'Door_Panel_Collection' macro is being rewritten and is now blank.
I am having to delete both of the scripted panels (original and duplicate) and reload the library - then all is good again and the original door panel list is back.

I am not sure why it would do this for a scripted door but not from a 'save as panel' door.
I am wondering if it has something to do with the library being in a Library Container File (LCF).
Although I opened the 'Door_Panel_Collection' macro from the LCF library, maybe it is actually getting a copy from the user profile.
But still I have no idea why it would be different with scripted verses saved as panels.

I will see if I can experiment some more.

Barry.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:14:53 GMT

Barry wrote:
I am having to delete both

Odd, I am only needing to delete the duplicate for the list to return. Might be due to having the copy embedded and the original in an external library...

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Erwin Edel — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:45:36 GMT

The trick is to set your scripted leaf as a custom leaf as object subtype. (switching subtypes may reset your parameters, use at own risk!)

Very seldomly things will go missing (door frames with empty openings because leaf is 'missing'), opening your custom leaf and saving it again should poke ARCHICAD to behave again (sometimes with a rebuild of your elevation).

I believe it has to do with a list of custom leafs that sometimes won't rebuild properly.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Barry Kelly — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 01:48:59 GMT

Erwin wrote:
The trick is to set your scripted leaf as a custom leaf as object subtype.

It was the correct "Custom Door Leaf" subtype.

There is a "Door_Panel_Collection" macro that gets create in a hidden user file.
This one gets updated with the new custom panels and is used rather than the one in the library.
So being in a LCF is not the problem.

When I opened your custom made script and a saved as script I noticed a small difference.
In the parameter list of your scripted object there are 2 parameters that have values - one is a GUID.
In the saved as object I noticed these parameters are empty.

So when you duplicate the object it is keeping the same GUID - which I think is the problem.
As soon as I deleted those parameter values (and saved the object) I could duplicate, save and reopen the file and still see all of the custom panels.

Barry.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:05:46 GMT

The object's subtype is a Custom Door Leaf. It will not appear in the door dialogue if that is not so.

Saving the door leaf out again did not work... nor did rebuilding a drawing or reloading the library.

Linked & Embedded
Removing the Original from the linked library DOES NOT result in a rebuild of the Door Panel Collection.
Removing the Duplicate from the embedded library DOES result in a rebuild of the Door Panel Collection.

Both Linked
When duplicated to an external library instead of embedding it results in it becoming a duplicate object and saving as "a new object" does not appear to change the GUID. Results in a faulty Door Panel Collection without needing to reopening the project.

Removing either of the objects from their linked libraries / removing the relevant libraries DOES NOT result in a rebuild of the Door Panel Collection

Ling.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:16:39 GMT

Barry wrote:
When I opened your custom made script and a saved as script I noticed a small difference.
In the parameter list of your scripted object there are 2 parameters that have values - one is a GUID.
In the saved as object I noticed these parameters are empty.

So when you duplicate the object it is keeping the same GUID - which I think is the problem.
As soon as I deleted those parameter values (and saved the object) I could duplicate, save and reopen the file and still see all of the custom panels.

Whelp. I deleted those two and now the Door Panel Collection is blank from the get go... Using the Save selection as door panel... rebuilds the Door Panel Collection.

I think I have broken something... my Door Panel Collection is not generating even when I start a new file without and custom panels until I save one out... Even when using the default template... Logged out / in and that bit is fixed now

Ling.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Barry Kelly — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:41:29 GMT

This is the process I followed.

I opened a file that has custom door panels - works as expected.
I load in your object - all is good and it appears as a custom panel.
If I duplicate your panel that is when the problem arises - so I don't do that.
I edit your object to delete the 2 parameter values.
I then saved the file and closed Archicad.
Reopened the file and then I can duplicate you object with no issues.
I can then close and open the file with no further issues.

Barry.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:58:48 GMT

Thanks Barry.

The coll_guid and coll_name looks to have been the issue.

Ling.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Erwin Edel — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 06:23:26 GMT

Strange, this works fine for me in the Dutch translation of the library.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 06:56:02 GMT

Erwin wrote:
Strange, this works fine for me in the Dutch translation of the library.

With a coll_guid and coll_name? Used my door panel?

Ling.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Erwin Edel — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 07:35:34 GMT

This is what I have.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 07:44:33 GMT

Is that a scripted door panel? Or one created in the floor plan then saved out? I only had this issue with scripted ones.

Ling.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Erwin Edel — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:57:03 GMT

Scripted panel.

I may have saved a custom door from floor plan at some point to fix this in the past. (replacing the 3D script)

I'm generally re-using and changing a collection of custom panels we've had for years.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Lingwisyer — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:16:43 GMT

Anyway, the issue was that a coll_guid and coll_name was being assigned, which does not seem to be happening for you.

Re: Duplicate Library Item - Door Leaf

Erwin Edel — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:27:21 GMT

OK, sorry for the misunderstanding with the phrasing (English is not my first language). When I change a panel / create a new one, I just open an existing one (copy it from other project to the linked project library folder, we do not use embedded library generally) and SAVE AS the new name.

As said, we have quite a collection of custom panels by now, so generally we are modifying something that already exists or perhaps copying a bit of script from one to the other.

We do not duplicate parts using the library manager.

Sorry if this is causing confusion.

Like I wrote before, sometimes the leafs will go 'missing' (door frames show only the frames, no leaf) and opening one of the leafs and saving it will force the rebuild of the list and they will show up again. I can't really say what causes it, it doesn't happen often.

I do notice that when I add a new leaf the name will appear in the list twice, but so far this has not caused any issues. Picking one or the other of those double names doesn't change anything either, I think it is just a minor bug with the scripted UI of the door objects.