topic Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ?? in Libraries & objects

Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Dave Jochum — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:50:35 GMT

5 minutes before a client is due in my office I find what I think is a duplicate slab in the section window. I delete it, and without saving (so I could just undo if necessary), view the model in 3D to make sure I didn't just trash something I wanted. (I was unsure, because in plan, selecting all did not show a duped slab.) As the 3D window script is running I get about 20 error messages like the one attached, but with different line numbers referenced. I went to undo, but it was greyed out. Just my luck I guess that an autosave had just taken place. It obviously refers to casement windows, none of which I touched in deleting the slab. Can a GDL guru out there tell me what this means and how to fix it?

TIA

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Anonymous — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:18:55 GMT

This is an internal error in a GDL script. I can't imagine how deleting a slab could cause it. There should in fact be no way that a user's actions could cause this error. I have to wonder if it is some kind of corruption in the temp folder/building model. Quit & relaunch might fix it.

BTW the undo cue is not cleared by auto-save, but it is by a section window rebuild. VERY annoying and I really don't understand why

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Aussie John — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:21:17 GMT

Ihave seen something like that and a restart cleared it up

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Dave Jochum — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:57:34 GMT

Matthew wrote:
This is an internal error in a GDL script. I can't imagine how deleting a slab could cause it. There should in fact be no way that a user's actions could cause this error. I have to wonder if it is some kind of corruption in the temp folder/building model. Quit & relaunch might fix it.

Quitting and even rebooting didn't help. Selecting any casement window and then opening the parameters window also displays the error message. Arghhh! The windows display fine in all views--2D and 3D, however.

Matthew wrote:
BTW the undo cue is not cleared by auto-save, but it is by a section window rebuild. VERY annoying and I really don't understand why

Thanks--didn't know that. The lack of undo control is mindboggling. Even freeware drawing programs have better.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Aussie John — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:21:49 GMT

I know this might sound strange but open up the errant library part and resave it - reload library then see how it works

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Anonymous — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:59:10 GMT

Oh, I should have mentioned that this particular error generally has no adverse effect on the display or modeling of the library part.

Try John's suggestion, and while you're at it push the "Check Scripts" button and see if you get any errors.

BTW, are they old (6.5/7.0) or new 8.0/8.1 windows? Are they from the latest 8.1 library or an earlier one?

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Aussie John — Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:18:49 GMT

I think you will find you the error is related to a specific combination of parameters. As such if you check the script you might not get the error.
Temporarily change the default parameters to match those in your model ( maybe better to create a duplicate window) then run your check scripts.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Dave Jochum — Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:47:35 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Oh, I should have mentioned that this particular error generally has no adverse effect on the display or modeling of the library part.

No, that's true. They display fine. The problem is all the error messages popping up every time I draw a 3D or S/E window.

Matthew wrote:
Try John's suggestion, and while you're at it push the "Check Scripts" button and see if you get any errors.

I get a paragraph of errors when checking the script. Would it be any help to post the errors? When following John's suggestion, do I save the part over itself in the same library?

Matthew wrote:
BTW, are they old (6.5/7.0) or new 8.0/8.1 windows? Are they from the latest 8.1 library or an earlier one?

It's the 8.1 library, without the v2 update.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Aussie John — Fri, 02 Apr 2004 06:02:18 GMT

Dave wrote:
When following John's suggestion, do I save the part over itself in the same library?

I would recommend making a copy first then save over the original

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Dave Jochum — Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:05:01 GMT

Aussie wrote:
I know this might sound strange but open up the errant library part and resave it - reload library then see how it works

I tried this suggestion also to no avail. Merging into a new and reset PLN hasn't helped. Short of deleting and re-creating all the errant windows, I'm not sure what else to try.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Anonymous — Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:47:26 GMT

Dave,

Why don't you post the part so we can take a look at it? I am curious how this could happen, it doesn't make any sense.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Dave Jochum — Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:05:55 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Why don't you post the part so we can take a look at it? I am curious how this could happen, it doesn't make any sense.

This is driving me nuts. The only time I can get the error message today is when I re-draw the 3D window with the entire model. If I select any portion of the model, either with the arrow or either marquee tool, I don't get the message. I also don't get it opening selected windows in their parameters settings box, which I was last week. So now I can't figure out which windows are causing the problems. I've included one below that I think was giving eror messages last week.

Well...I tried attaching a MOD file which apparently is not allowed. What's the best way to do this?

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Anonymous — Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:17:46 GMT

Send me the module at:

matthew@lohdensteele.com

I don't know if I can figure it out, but I can at least take a look at it

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Djordje — Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:59:14 GMT

Dave wrote:
This is driving me nuts.

Dave, did you delete the library cache?

If you want to post anything that is not in the allowed file format, zip it first.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Anonymous — Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:47:25 GMT

Dave,

No luck with the module. The error did not recur and I cannot see any problems within the library parts (the report you posted showed the error as occurring in a couple of the macros called by the main window object).

It may be best to just replace the windows.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Aussie John — Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:16:22 GMT

I am sure you have a parameter setting which is causing the error. Place a new window ( with the default settings) in a new wall and see if that works ok. Gradually change the parameters to reflect the errant ones. Hopefully you will find what is causing the error.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Anonymous — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:58:10 GMT

John,

How can you be sure it is a parameter setting? I can't imagine why anyone would write a library part that would allow a user parameter to cause this particular error. Deleting transformations is an entirely internal function. Besides I have looked at the code of the macros where the error is reported to occur and the DEL statements are not parameter driven. (I say "reported to occur" because I was unable to recreate the error.)

Dave also indicated that the error only occurs when the entire model is generated. Apparently when the offending casement is modeled in isolation the error goes away. This was also my experience, but I am not using Dave's libraries, so I have too many variables to narrow it down.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Aussie John — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:29:33 GMT

of course I cant be 100% sure but with looping etc it is possible to write a script that works 99.5% of the time. But an odd combination of parameters might throw it out.
Are all the Graphisoft library parts completely bugfree? I doubt it.

I didnt see that he said it works in isolation.
Dave, have you tried picking up the paramerters of the object (opt click) and inserting a new window?

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Anonymous — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:07:58 GMT

Of course it's possible, just VERY unlikely. Transformations are rarely (if ever) driven by user parameters.

Re: Error Mess: Cannot DEL transformation ??

Aussie John — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:16:44 GMT

Let me give you an example
If a window had a parameter to select anumber of panels and you inserted 0 then unless the programer used error trapping you would probably get a transformation error ie trying to delete a a transformation that never happens because the parameter is 0
Sure I'm clutching at straws but Dave has had this problem for a while to no avail