topic Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly? in Libraries & objects

Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 05:39:23 GMT

Is it just my imagination, or are the railing materials mapped incorrectly.
As an example, when I apply brickwork structural building material to a beam or wall it looks fine.
The same material applied to the rails of a railing are all rotated 90° and don't run along the length of the member.
The post s are OK as the material does run along the length (height) of the post, but shouldn't the rail materials be automatically rotated.
So when I use my 'timber-horizontal' material it is horizontal?

I noticed this when I was setting up favourites for my railings and noticed the timber grain wrapped around the rails rather than along it.
Here I used brick as it shows up better.

I will report this as a bug, but I just wanted to check I wasn't doing anything wrong.
The last thing I want to do is is set up new building materials specifically for railings.

Barry.

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 06:28:13 GMT

Here is a better picture that hows the posts are OK.
In front is a timber railing - harder to see but the rails are wrong.

Barry.

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Lingwisyer — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 06:30:38 GMT

At first I would have thought that the rails were generated and textured vertically, then rotated within the script to what ever angle they needed to be, but the fact that the posts are also like that makes me rather confused as compared to the rails, the post is always vertical...

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 06:51:48 GMT

It is all getting very confusing.
I currently have a timber beam Building Material that uses a horizontal wood grain surface texture and a timber post BM that uses a vertical one.
This is great for my walls, slab, beams and columns.

Now with the railing I have to use the horizontal beam BM for the posts and the vertical post BM for the rails.
It makes no sense.
I am not sure how I am going to explain this one to all our users on top of the intricacies of the railing tool itself.

Barry.

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 07:22:02 GMT

Here is another good example.

This is from the default AUS template (22 RC1).
Timber fence favourite with the material overrides set to 'mahogany vertical' for posts and balusters and 'mahogany horizontal' for the rails.

Barry.

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:21:09 GMT

Further investigation shows that all railing objects are wrong.
The cast iron, newel and profiled posts are correct - all others are wrong.
So there is no consistency even among the different posts.

Barry.

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Erwin Edel — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:33:51 GMT

Not impossible to fix by creating some double surfaces (horizontal vertical surfaces to confuse everyone), but it does make you wonder if these things get tested.

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Lingwisyer — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:37:45 GMT

Are CineRender textures mapped based off the internal engines mapping or are they remapped?

Ling

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:42:48 GMT

Erwin wrote:
Not impossible to fix by creating some double surfaces (horizontal vertical surfaces to confuse everyone), but it does make you wonder if these things get tested.

Yes, but we will need a 'vertical' surface for the horizontal rails, and depending in which post you use it could be either horizontal or vertical.

I think I have had enough of testing this now.
Beer o'clock here now.

Barry.

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:49:01 GMT

Lingwisyer wrote:
Are CineRender textures mapped based off the internal engines mapping or are they remapped?

If the Cinerender materials match the internal/OpenGL engines then what you see is what you will get.
My material is actually corrugated roof sheeting which makes a good effect.
I would want to use these handrails.

Barry.

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Barry Kelly — Wed, 27 Jun 2018 02:39:42 GMT

A simple re-arrangement of the COOR command in the scripts fixes the problem.
It was 2 macros, one for the post (profiled_post_m) and one for the rail (profiled_rail_m) that needed fixing.
The only thing is I can not fix the built-in post or rail as they are part of the Archicad program and are read only objects - so can't be saved.

Here is the before.
And here is the after when the macros have been fixed.
Barry.

Re: Railing materials mapped incorrectly?

Daniel Kovacs — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 08:42:02 GMT

Hey guys,

There are definitely some inconsistencies here. I have let the developers know, they will look into it. Until then there's no other option but to use 2 separate surfaces for the horizontal/vertical textures.

Regards,