topic Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors in Libraries & objects

Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 15:00:45 GMT

Hello!

Actually two things I'm struggling with and can't get it done.
First is outer finish brick layer and its closure over the window. I want it to be same width as window frame, in other words can I control a width of a turn ?

Second is door and plaster turn for door, I can't make inner thin plaster turn towards door like it is for window. it turns only if "consider skin as plaster is unchecked" but in this case it turns by penetrating core which is bad, I will try to paint how I want it to be on second attached image.

1 is current image , 2 is desired result

Not related to above question directly but just curious, why Archicad allows core to be penetrated at all ?

Best Regards !

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Lingwisyer — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 06:23:22 GMT

For the window, would changing the Reveal Type then use the Custom Closure to set a custom thickness to the external turn.

Regarding the door, can you show what this setting is? Is it the Custom Closure? Do the standard returns not work? Also, which version of AC are you using?

Ling.

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 06:42:44 GMT

Hi, appreciate your help, thanks.
Using AC 24, on your uploaded image plaster around the door is ok, what is your settings ? Can you please share the simple file?

For window that bottom turn it is still not that, I want turn to end where window frame ends, see picture, those vertical lines are turn width I want. in other words I want to control width of that turn to set it as much window frame requires, or go even beyond (inside window opening).

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 08:14:10 GMT

Ok , I got windows working like I want, but still struggling with layer around a door opening.

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Lingwisyer — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 08:18:55 GMT

For the door I turned off the Wall Closure and just set the plaster turn to automatic.

Ling.

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 08:29:43 GMT

when I'm setting closure "No Closure" it disables "automatic" checkboxes

why I can't just use "finish closure" option or other from list and instead of how it is letter "a"
make it look like on "b" ?

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 11:11:53 GMT

"For the door I turned off the Wall Closure and just set the plaster turn to automatic."
yes but in my case those "turn plaster" settings are frozen for doors, even when set to "No Closure" they are frozen, any idea why ?

in short how to achieve results like inside red rectangle on a picture?

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Lingwisyer — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 01:53:41 GMT

I remember someone else in the past having issues with those settings being locked, but I do not recall the solution... It is probably somewhere around here...

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:05:46 GMT

Lingwisyer wrote:
I remember someone else in the past having issues with those settings being locked, but I do not recall the solution... It is probably somewhere around here...

Yes they are locked and it makes that turn impossible, might it be Archicad bug ? would be nice to find that topic you mentioned to know whether or not he found a solution.
Overally I found kinda workaround by using another door type named "storefront", which has plaster turn unlocked. Looks like hinged doors have a problem.

Anyway why hinged doors "turn plaster" options are frozen, anyone have any idea ?

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 16:27:35 GMT

I managed to combine Reveal (With the last option) and Wall Closure (with Plaster Reveal Option).
In the Reveal Setting you can control both sides respective skins.
Just checked the 2d and its ok.
Hope this helps

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 16:40:35 GMT

Braza wrote:
I managed to combine Reveal (With the last option) and Wall Closure (with Plaster Reveal Option).
In the Reveal Setting you can control both sides respective skins.
Just checked the 2d and its ok.
Hope this helps

It really does the job but it is kind of a cheating with wall settings rather than correct solution, but as workaround it is quite nice, thank you for that.
I want to know why those settings are closed for hinged doors in my case, for user Lingwisyer the settings are not frozen and those are editable, really strange situation.

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 17:55:10 GMT

Jan wrote:
It really does the job but it is kind of a cheating with wall settings rather than correct solution, but as workaround it is quite nice, thank you for that.

I am glad it helped.
Do you see any limitation in this solution?
Its because I think workarounds implies something that couldn't be achieved.
If your goal was 100% achieved then you have one possible solution, right?

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 04:40:31 GMT

No limitations I see from first sight.

"Its because I think workarounds implies something that couldn't be achieved."
Disagree , what "could't be achieved" in that case? workarounds are ok when you have no such functionality in software, but see post #328367 with that image

My goal is to understand why archicad shows menu "turn plaster" frozen for hinged doors while for user Lingwisyer it's not frozen as you can see above.

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Barry Kelly — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 06:03:37 GMT

Jan wrote:
My goal is to understand why archicad shows menu "turn plaster" frozen for hinged doors while for user Lingwisyer it's not frozen as you can see above.

It is really hard to say without having the file.
Maybe the library language version (i.e. USA is slightly different to INT) - what language version are you using?
Could be some other setting in the door that is blocking those settings.
Maybe it is the wall composite type (just a hunch).

Rather than us having access to the whole file, select the wall and door in plan and then save the selection as a module file.
Than attach the MOD file here (you may need to zip it as MOD files are not allowed as attachments) or share it via a cloud share.

Barry.

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 06:24:52 GMT

Barry wrote:

Jan wrote:
My goal is to understand why archicad shows menu "turn plaster" frozen for hinged doors while for user Lingwisyer it's not frozen as you can see above.

It is really hard to say without having the file.
Maybe the library language version (i.e. USA is slightly different to INT) - what language version are you using?
Could be some other setting in the door that is blocking those settings.
Maybe it is the wall composite type (just a hunch).

Rather than us having access to the whole file, select the wall and door in plan and then save the selection as a module file.
Than attach the MOD file here (you may need to zip it as MOD files are not allowed as attachments) or share it via a cloud share.

Barry.

Hello ! I have no problem to access my file not big drawing anyway, so I will upload a sample wall new scene that has that frozen menu, pln file in rar archive. archicad is 24 6001 international version.
Thank you for your time !

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:57:47 GMT

One more thing that I think directly related to above issue.

Selected left door is default hinged door which is not only have turn plaster option disabled but also don't turns the plaster when custom closure is chosen and consider skin as plaster is checked.
I have same settings for right door which is storefront door and it works, I would use storefront by default but hinged door looks more like I want to see it in other views. what might be wrong with hinged doors in my archicad ?
I will upload that scene also maybe that will help, just simple wall.

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Barry Kelly — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:08:15 GMT

Are you able to please ZIP the files?
I have nothing that can open a RAR file.

Barry.

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:26:30 GMT

Barry wrote:
Are you able to please ZIP the files?
I have nothing that can open a RAR file.

Barry.

Sure, uploading here tells me "file too large" but it is only 5.5 megs, I will post a link from filehost

https://file.re/2021/06/18/test-scene-archicad/

it is red ribbon at the bottom of that page and download button , hope that zip will be extracted well, thank you !

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:46:07 GMT

Jan wrote:
My goal is to understand why archicad shows menu "turn plaster" frozen for hinged doors while for user Lingwisyer it's not frozen as you can see above.

This is because you probably have your casings on.

Re: Have a hard time with closures for windows and doors

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 10:05:39 GMT

Braza wrote:

Jan wrote:
My goal is to understand why archicad shows menu "turn plaster" frozen for hinged doors while for user Lingwisyer it's not frozen as you can see above.
This is because you probably have your casings on.

Well that was it ! Thank you so much Braza! I didn't turn them on and if they are turned on by default why I don't see them on plan ? how to make them visible like on image below?

Barry thanks for your time too.