topic Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue in Libraries & objects

Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:28:09 GMT

I am having issue with AC19 window setting. I don't get why many special windows do not have gauge on sides but bottom only. I am sick of dealing with this odd Casing that stretch out way too much and no gauge in center. I'm giving an example of photo so you can see what I am talking about. Is there a way that I fix it because I personally hate to make custom window every time?

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Anonymous — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 05:54:21 GMT

cadpg wrote:
I am having issue with AC19 window setting. I don't get why many special windows do not have gauge on sides but bottom only. I am sick of dealing with this odd Casing that stretch out way too much and no gauge in center. I'm giving an example of photo so you can see what I am talking about. Is there a way that I fix it because I personally hate to make custom window every time?

Trim to roof this casings or apply the SEO.
A more complicated method is editing the library element, you will probably have to make changes to many macros.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Anonymous — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:31:50 GMT

How do you trim the casing? Do you mean converter into Morph? I am still struggling with SEO. It is still unclear how to use though. I am trying to think something else better and efficient.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Anonymous — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:00:11 GMT

Now, other issue, It seems that it won't let me to SEO Windows dues to layers. I checked and couldn't find anything. Is there a way that I can trim it easily? I included the screenshot. MMM, anything that I should know before doing SEO?

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

runxel — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 08:38:32 GMT

cadpg wrote:
Now, other issue, It seems that it won't let me to SEO Windows dues to layers. I checked and couldn't find anything. Is there a way that I can trim it easily? I included the screenshot. MMM, anything that I should know before doing SEO?

You can not SEO windows directly.
However.... You can SEO with the wall: the operator will affect the window as well.
Just make sure to stop the operator before it reaches the wall itself.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Anonymous — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 18:31:15 GMT

Thank you for a reply but I still don't get it. Why wall has to do with window casing issue? I am sometime required to be visual to understand how this works. I have been looking tutorial for window with SEO on youtube but nothing that i can find.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Anonymous — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 04:35:45 GMT

cadpg wrote:
Thank you for a reply but I still don't get it. Why wall has to do with window casing issue? I am sometime required to be visual to understand how this works. I have been looking tutorial for window with SEO on youtube but nothing that i can find.

You need to create an element along the contour of the casings, build it as close as possible to the wall, but do not grab the wall.
1. Select this element, assign it as an operator to the SEO.
2. Select the wall (not the window), designate it as the target.
3. Select the type substraction with upward extrusion. Execute.
4. Change the operator layer - hide the layer.
Almost the same with a roofs.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 23:50:33 GMT

cadpg wrote:
I still don't get it. Why wall has to do with window casing issue?

runxel and SL_GDL have given you the steps. The answer to your question is that windows (and doors) do not exist outside of a host wall. Once placed in a wall, they are in essence part of the wall. Same thing with skylights and roofs.

All of that said ... this is all a workaround to get the casing that you want for ganging the two windows.

Instead, try the 'ganging' option shown in the attached screenshot. Select both windows, then tick the box for the tall side, which is where your two windows join. You will then need to reposition the windows in plan to be closer together and the trim should look pretty close to what you want - although with a few odd lines (an old bug).

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 23:53:36 GMT

cadpg wrote:
... I don't get why many special windows do not have gauge on sides but bottom only.... and no gauge in center.

What do you mean by 'gauge'?

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:02:07 GMT

Karl wrote:
Instead, try the 'ganging' option shown in the attached screenshot. Select both windows, then tick the box for the tall side, which is where your two windows join. You will then need to reposition the windows in plan to be closer together and the trim should look pretty close to what you want - although with a few odd lines (an old bug).

Agh. Not only will you get some weird lines on the exterior trim... but the ganging option ignores the interior trim which looks terrible. So, this may work if you have plaster wrap interiors (give it a try), but otherwise... solid element op may be the only way to get it the way you want until Graphisoft fixes their over-10-years-old bugs with ganging. 😞

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Anonymous — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 18:31:52 GMT

Hello Karl,

No, I do not have AC21. Only AC19. We haven't update to that software just yet.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 21:08:55 GMT

cadpg wrote:
Hello Karl,

No, I do not have AC21. Only AC19. We haven't update to that software just yet.

I didn't say anything about AC 21. The windows have had ganging for many years now... at least 10, and should have the same checkboxes in the AC 19 library, just in a different tab perhaps. 🙂

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Anonymous — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 21:12:09 GMT

This window doesn't have all gauges.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 00:39:57 GMT

cadpg wrote:
This window doesn't have all gauges.

Dude. Stop saying 'gauges' - ain't no such thing and no wonder we didn't know what you were talking about. 😉 It is 'ganging'.

Now, I understand your original post about only having one 'gang' (not 'gauge'). Yeah, very odd that AC 19 library is like that. Sorry that I missed your original post that said the issue was with an AC 19 window. 😞 I tried any special downloads available for 19 and same thing. AC 20 and above have side ganging as shown in my screenshot from 21... but as I mentioned, it doesn't work properly - not ganging the interior trim, which looks as bad as your screenshot - and having some extra ugly lines on the exterior trim.

So... the solid element subtract with a Morph is the best bet ... OR... turn off exterior trim, and model the exterior trim itself with a Morph: draw the morph in Elevation to get the shape/alignment right, then in 3D extrude it the thickness desired and move it onto the wall surface.

Cheers.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Anonymous — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:33:01 GMT

Sorry about "gauges" My mistake auto typing. I did not realized that.

Yes, it is ganging.

I will try the morph part and see how it goes. Thank you for the tips.

Yes, I know we have not update to AC 21 yet.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Erwin Edel — Wed, 06 Dec 2017 09:14:22 GMT

Had to make something similar today, sad to say the best option I found was still to make my own custom window.

I had to use some clever tricks with WALLHOLE and WALLNICHE elements to get the desired jamb results though and an empty window opening to set up the other trim elements.

I tried to fill in the emtpy opening with a curtain wall, but the windows/doors in curtain wall just do not behave like the doors/windows library counter parts.

Re: Trapziod Window Casing Issue

Erwin Edel — Wed, 06 Dec 2017 09:16:20 GMT

I thought I had a nice solution, which actually might work for some people in some cases: you can have the arched windows/doors and set the arc resolution as low as possible (I believe this is 3), you will effectively end up with only 2 segments. The profile dimensions of the frame were a bit off though and the wallhole is still arced. Still for a quick and dirty preliminary design draft up, it might work for some.